Comments on Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotismTypePad2012-07-08T08:17:28ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2012/07/what-they-say-vs-what-they-mean/comments/atom.xml/Marsha commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0167685158ad970b2012-07-09T14:00:44Z2012-07-10T09:14:01ZMarshaOh no! Jordan's coming here? :-)<p>Oh no! Jordan's coming here? :-)</p>treppenwitz commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0177432c236c970d2012-07-09T13:36:20Z2012-07-09T13:37:25Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comillawarrior... Pacifism only works between pacifists.<p>illawarrior... Pacifism only works between pacifists.</p>Noach Roth commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0177432c1a5c970d2012-07-09T13:30:17Z2012-07-09T13:37:25ZNoach RothI will concede that the media has interest in focusing on the Haredi issue. That is not what took place...<p>I will concede that the media has interest in focusing on the Haredi issue. That is not what took place at the hafgana.</p>illawarrior commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01761644a127970c2012-07-09T09:41:54Z2012-07-09T13:37:25ZillawarriorIf countries / religions / races, etc stopped fighting with one another, there would be no need for any "defence...<p>If countries / religions / races, etc stopped fighting with one another, there would be no need for any "defence forces"</p>ED commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0167684d1975970b2012-07-09T00:26:07Z2012-07-09T13:37:25ZEDIt`s ironic that the rally was held in TA. Doesn`t TA and the region have a lower % of IDF...<p>It`s ironic that the rally was held in TA. Doesn`t TA and the region have a lower % of IDF service(excluding Heredi) than any other. How many of medical unfit are excused for reasons that are social or mental and how many of those would qualify for national service? It seems that this matter for many is just an excuse to bash another segment of society for political advantage without regard for the long range good of the country.</p>Jordan Hirsch commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0167684b1dcf970b2012-07-08T17:46:07Z2012-07-09T13:37:25ZJordan HirschI was going to post a response, discussing some of the subtle differences between groups and the economic consequences etc,...<p>I was going to post a response, discussing some of the subtle differences between groups and the economic consequences etc, but ya know what. We can discuss it in person in a few days. Hah!</p>Ellis commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0176163f7002970c2012-07-08T15:30:08Z2012-07-09T13:37:25ZEllishttp://www.raananagamer.comFred said: While I mostly agree with your post I think you are ignoring a social reality: Israelis, even the...<p>Fred said: <i>While I mostly agree with your post I think you are ignoring a social reality: Israelis, even the enightened secular ones from gush Dan, don't see the Arab population of Israel as a part of the country.</i></p>
<p>If Fred's right, wouldn't an extension of national service be a constructive step towards changing this perception?</p>Fred commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef017743258126970d2012-07-08T15:26:17Z2012-07-09T13:37:25ZFredWhile I mostly agree with your post I think you are ignoring a social reality: Israelis, even the enightened secular...<p>While I mostly agree with your post I think you are ignoring a social reality: Israelis, even the enightened secular ones from gush Dan, don't see the Arab population of Israel as a part of the country. </p>treppenwitz commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01676849e778970b2012-07-08T12:59:58Z2012-07-09T13:37:25Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comNoach Roth... Thank you for offering an eye/ear witness perspective. You'll notice that I said, "most of the reports I...<p>Noach Roth... Thank you for offering an eye/ear witness perspective. You'll notice that I said, "most of the reports I have read so far indicate that last night's rally's unwavering focus was on the the Haredi (ultra-religious) segment of Israeli society...". I can't help it if the media decided to focus on the Haredi aspect only.</p>
<p>Moishe... Are you suggesting that the value of "...going into business, by going to school to learn a trade..." is so time sensitive as to make their desk job in the army counterproductive? I don't. There is value, even if it is only social/cultural value, in having as large a proportion of the population as possible have a shared experience at this formative age. </p>Moish commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef017743249a55970d2012-07-08T11:57:19Z2012-07-09T13:37:25ZMoishDavid, I agree with much of what you wrote but one sentence is actually quite wrong. You write: If even...<p>David,<br />
I agree with much of what you wrote but one sentence is actually quite wrong. You write:<br />
If even a portion of those who are currently given draft exemptions for medical reasons (think asthmatics, diabetics, obese, etc.), would be forced into an alternate track where they would be required to do some sort of administrative IDF or civilian national service, the benefit to the country would be tremendous!<br />
No. If people forced to do desk jobs in the army were freed to create actual value for society by going into business, by going to school to learn a trade or by doing almost anything that's valuable enough that somebody is willing to pay for it, we'd all be better off. </p>Noach Roth commented on 'Religious-bashing dressed up to look like patriotism'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0177432420d3970d2012-07-08T10:21:04Z2012-07-08T11:16:15ZNoach RothI'm a long time reader/lurker, first time commenter. I'm national religious Likud voter, and I attended the rally last night....<p>I'm a long time reader/lurker, first time commenter.<br />
I'm national religious Likud voter, and I attended the rally last night. Two speakers were orthodox rabbis, one was an Arab woman whose 3 children had served.<br />
Every speaker spoke equally about service for Arabs, Haredim, and consciencious objectors.<br />
I think your analysis missed the mark this time.</p>