Comments on A follow up to the whole blurred image postTypePad2012-01-24T11:48:18ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2012/01/a-follow-up-to-the-whole-blurred-image-post/comments/atom.xml/psachya commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e631a0d8970c2012-01-27T18:01:50Z2012-01-27T18:01:50ZpsachyaThere's a good thread on this topic over at Rabbi Harry Maryles' blog. http://haemtza.blogspot.com One interesting point that I as...<p>There's a good thread on this topic over at Rabbi Harry Maryles' blog.</p>
<p>http://haemtza.blogspot.com</p>
<p>One interesting point that I as a non-Israeli didn't initially pick up on. The school may be Dati Leumi,but they apparently are not Modern Orthodox as understood in an American context. They are what is known as "Chardali" (Charedi/Dati Leumi) - meaning that they are basically of Charedi sentiment except that they are also pro-Zionist, send their kids to Tzahal, etc. This doesn't exist in America. When Chardalis make it to the States, they usually either lose the Zionism and become full-fledged Charedim, or lose the Charedism and become full-fledged MO.</p>
<p>So there is no seismic shift in MO/Dati Leumi ground here. Machon Meir is simply being true to its Chardali roots. Doesn't make what they did any less reprehensible, but it's kind of a relief to the rest of us.</p>Irina commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e626a884970c2012-01-27T01:47:53Z2012-01-27T01:47:53ZIrinahttp://sicat222.blogspot.comThis is so disturbing on so many levels. The very thing that makes (used to make?) Modern Orthodoxy an attractive...<p>This is so disturbing on so many levels. The very thing that makes (used to make?) Modern Orthodoxy an attractive option to potential BTs seems to be sliding into extreme. I hate the idea of Judaism polarized to the point that it's either totally secular or espousing medievalism. </p>Check home insurance commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e61d394b970c2012-01-26T11:42:07Z2012-01-26T11:42:07ZCheck home insurancehttp://www.checkinsurancequotes.com/home-insurance-quotesConsidering that the family submitted the ad with an unblurred photo, I think we can safely say they wanted her...<p>Considering that the family submitted the ad with an unblurred photo, I think we can safely say they wanted her picture published.</p>Machon student commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef016761114ae5970b2012-01-25T19:10:36Z2012-01-25T19:10:36ZMachon studentR' Menachem Listman is really just in charge of admin at the English speaker's dept. Machon Meir has an English...<p>R' Menachem Listman is really just in charge of admin at the English speaker's dept.</p>
<p>Machon Meir has an English speaking Public Relations Officer.<br />
His name is Yisrael Ruchman.<br />
His e-mail address is machon.english@gmail.com<br />
</p>bratschegirl commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01676110fc56970b2012-01-25T18:47:50Z2012-01-25T18:47:50ZbratschegirlWell, I don't understand what he means when he says that their policy is not to print pictures of women...<p>Well, I don't understand what he means when he says that their policy is not to print pictures of women but that they would do so if obligated. It's really impossible to tell from this whether what's happening on his side of this conversation is willful obfuscation or insufficient language skills. I think it's unfortunate that they have someone in charge of the "English department" who is so clearly unqualified for that. I'll happily stipulate here that his English is orders of magnitude better than my Hebrew, but then again I'm not calling myself the director of the Hebrew department of anything.</p>
<p>I'd love to lock him in a room with R. Linzer of YCT...</p>Gee a Moron commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e60b849f970c2012-01-25T07:43:49Z2012-01-25T07:43:49ZGee a MoronI have been a small but consistent contributor to Machon Meir since shortly after we came to Israel 27 years...<p>I have been a small but consistent contributor to Machon Meir since shortly after we came to Israel 27 years ago. Nowadays I'm too much a Cynicist (cynic) to be a Zionist or perhaps just cautious but back then they were one of the first organizations to ask me for a standing order (horaat keva) to donate money on a monthly basis. My bank records show that I opened the horaat keva in 1989. and I haven't touched it since. I sort of liked MM's tag line "אוהב את הבריאות ומקרבן לתורה"ץ</p>
<p>This issue of blurring out women burns me up. I'm thinking of cancelling. MM should have refused the ad or refused the picture rather than blur.</p>Chareidi Chutznik commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e608fb94970c2012-01-25T03:00:08Z2012-01-25T03:00:08ZChareidi ChutznikCongratulations to R Listman for standing up to anti-chareidi coercion.<p>Congratulations to R Listman for standing up to anti-chareidi coercion.</p>fred commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef016761072e87970b2012-01-25T02:20:58Z2012-01-25T02:20:58Zfredi suppose the blurring can be defended since it is inappropriate to have a pictures of a woman floating around...<p>i suppose the blurring can be defended since it is inappropriate to have a pictures of a woman floating around a beit knesset. so the best idea would be not to have any picture at all... </p>dave commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef016300106db6970d2012-01-24T23:38:45Z2012-01-24T23:38:45ZdaveIt would be interesting to see where they get the source for this. normally they make up their own chumrahs...<p>It would be interesting to see where they get the source for this. normally they make up their own chumrahs to be more religious then the rest of us.</p>Lurker commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e606127e970c2012-01-24T22:47:31Z2012-01-24T22:47:31ZLurkerhttp://muqata.blogspot.com/Wow. I had given MM the benefit of the doubt (as you can see from my comments on your previous...<p>Wow.</p>
<p>I had given MM the benefit of the doubt (as you can see from my comments on your previous post), but I see now that I was wrong, and I stand corrected.</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to contact MM and thus clarifying the plain (and depressing) truth about their actual position.</p>
<p>It's pretty sad...<br />
</p>Rich commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef016760ff86c3970b2012-01-24T15:18:01Z2012-01-24T15:18:01ZRichI'm going to say what I refrained from saying on Jammeel's blog. Their words may say HY"D but their actions...<p>I'm going to say what I refrained from saying on Jammeel's blog.<br />
Their words may say HY"D but their actions say Y"S</p>ED commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e600c29a970c2012-01-24T15:09:58Z2012-01-24T15:09:58ZEDIs there a gradual move to ban all photos including men? In which case the term "moderate" would certainly cease...<p>Is there a gradual move to ban all photos including men? In which case the term "moderate" would certainly cease to be applicable.</p>Nachum commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0163000a0cab970d2012-01-24T13:43:22Z2012-01-24T13:43:22ZNachumConsidering that the family submitted the ad with an unblurred photo, I think we can safely say they wanted her...<p>Considering that the family submitted the ad with an unblurred photo, I think we can safely say they wanted her picture published.</p>fred commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0168e60023f8970c2012-01-24T13:33:55Z2012-01-24T13:33:55Zfredwow. i am surprised, and not in a good way. i still dont get something. why isnt the blurring issue...<p>wow. i am surprised, and not in a good way.<br />
i still dont get something. why isnt the blurring issue a question for the family -- how does the family want the woman portreayed? </p>Ilana-Davita commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef016300099197970d2012-01-24T12:23:46Z2012-01-24T12:23:46ZIlana-Davitahttp://ilanadavita.wordpress.com/David, now that you have laid the siege, can you please send him another email and ask for an explanation...<p><em>David, now that you have laid the siege, can you please send him another email and ask for an explanation behind the decision, with the reasons as to why it is wrong to show a woman's face, with halachic sources.</em><br />
Do we really want to know?<br />
I mean the answer is bound to be depressing.</p>yonah commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef016760fe44b5970b2012-01-24T12:11:59Z2012-01-24T12:11:59ZyonahDavid, now that you have laid the siege, can you please send him another email and ask for an explanation...<p>David, now that you have laid the siege, can you please send him another email and ask for an explanation behind the decision, with the reasons as to why it is wrong to show a woman's face, with halachic sources. Why beat around the bush, just go for it.</p>Sarah Bronson commented on 'A follow up to the whole blurred image post'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef016300096e84970d2012-01-24T12:08:53Z2012-01-24T12:08:53ZSarah BronsonI'm so sad. Perhaps this goes to show how "Dati Leumi" and "Modern Orthodox" do not completely overlap. Or perhaps...<p>I'm so sad. </p>
<p>Perhaps this goes to show how "Dati Leumi" and "Modern Orthodox" do not completely overlap.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it goes to show that not all institutions that are hailed as "Modern Orthodox" really are so.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it goes to show that I need to stop calling myself Modern Orthodox, if this is what it is. (On the other hand, I don't like the idea of letting Machon Meir define Modern Orthodoxy for me).</p>
<p>:-(</p>