Comments on Seeking ClosureTypePad2009-05-10T10:06:25ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2009/05/seeking-closure/comments/atom.xml/Gidon Ariel commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01156f8c76d2970c2009-05-12T19:19:10Z2009-05-12T19:19:10ZGidon Arielhttp://www.holycityprayer.comI will try to raise this question (why not search for the hero's remains?) with Dani Danon, who is the...<p>I will try to raise this question (why not search for the hero's remains?) with Dani Danon, who is the right man (proud head of World Beitar) in the right place (recently elected MK, deputy Speaker of the Knesset) to pick up this gauntlet.</p>
<p>Also, anything that has anything to do with Maale Adumim catches my eye:-)</p>Batya commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01156f88cd27970c2009-05-11T13:29:53Z2009-05-11T13:29:53ZBatyahttp://shilohmusings.blogspot.comInteresting approach to it. Farran was a major, not a simple policeman. Don't forget the sezon, when Haganah handed Jews...<p>Interesting approach to it.<br />
Farran was a major, not a simple policeman.<br />
Don't forget the sezon, when Haganah handed Jews to the British. That predated the Altalena.</p>
<p>Just because Menachem Begin wasn't willing to make Ben Gurion and followers do their "cheshbon nefesh" for those evil things they did to fellow Jews, doesn't mean that he was right. Begin made many mistakes; don't forget that he gave the Sinai to Egypt and destroyed Jewish communities in the process.</p>Rami commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707e6ca5970b2009-05-11T12:01:50Z2009-05-11T12:01:50ZRami'Free Jerusalem', one of my most treasured possessions..:-)..someone should push some people to fund a geophysical survey of the deep...<p>'Free Jerusalem', one of my most treasured possessions..:-)..someone should push some people to fund a geophysical survey of the deep natural wells and desert. </p>treppenwitz commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707dfe90970b2009-05-11T08:56:58Z2009-05-11T08:56:58Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comBen-Yehudah... Doubtful. A Simple Jew ... I'm looking forward to reading the whole thing. Yehuda... actually, Begin never forgave Ben...<p>Ben-Yehudah... Doubtful.</p>
<p>A Simple Jew ... I'm looking forward to reading the whole thing.</p>
<p>Yehuda... actually, Begin never forgave Ben Gurion for the Altalena. Ben Gurion later came to understand that Begin was a good man and in '67 even went so far as to say that if he had known the man better in 47, history would have been different. My big problem is still with the IDF's commander on the Beach; Yitzhak Rabin, who was quoted shortly before his death saying that one of his proudest moments was ordering the IDF to open fire on the Altalena. May he rot in hell for such a sentiment. I certainly will never forgive him for saying such a thing.</p>
<p>Jack... Thanks.</p>
<p>Debbie... That's one of the amazing things about Jerusalem. Literally every inch is packed with echoes from the recent and ancient past.</p>
<p>Risa... If you read the transcripts and diary entries from that era it soon becomes apparent that Begin was under the impression that he had reached an agreement with Ben Gurion and that only the details had to be worked out once the ship landed. Ben Gurion decided to send his commander and issue an armed ultimatum in order to embarrass and discredit Begin in the eyes of the IDF. Ben Gurion complained about the problem of having the Irgun as 'an army within an army'... but he didn't disband the Palmach until nearly a half a year after this incident. Clearly some armies were acceptable within the IDF and others were not.</p>
<p>Nachum Lamm ... I hadn't heard that theory but it is an interesting point.</p>
<p>jordan Hirsch... As you are certainly aware, for much of the time that the Likud has held the Premiership, the Defense Ministry has been in the hands of other parties. True, the Likud could have set aside running the country and made this young man's remains a priority, but in the grand scheme of things, trying to keep coalition partners from bolting has had to be a higher priority for the Likud.</p>
<p>Lion of Zion... My responses to those above answer your questions.</p>Lion of Zion commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01156f87bd28970c2009-05-11T02:50:19Z2009-05-11T02:50:19ZLion of Zionhttp://agmk.blogspot.comgreat post. thanks for informing us about this unknown part (to me at least) of israeli history. i hope they...<p>great post. thanks for informing us about this unknown part (to me at least) of israeli history. i hope they find his body soon. as fewere contemproaries remain among the living, the chances become slimmer.</p>
<p> "a group of Lehi veterans will hold a memorial service at the site of the kidnapping"</p>
<p>the lehi was such a small group to begin with. how many veterans are still alive?</p>
<p>"It may be a bit cynical of me to say . . ."</p>
<p>what about all the likud governments (including the newest one)?</p>jordan Hirsch commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707d2328970b2009-05-11T00:27:24Z2009-05-11T00:27:24Zjordan HirschInasmuch as former Etzel chief Begin was PM for a while, as was former Lehi chief Shamir, I think there...<p>Inasmuch as former Etzel chief Begin was PM for a while, as was former Lehi chief Shamir, I think there is blame to go around aplenty for the failure to find the remains of this martyr. </p>Nachum Lamm commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707d11bf970b2009-05-10T23:41:42Z2009-05-10T23:41:43ZNachum Lamm"We were lucky we had Ben Gurion when it came to proclaiming the state in May 1948 or we might...<p>"We were lucky we had Ben Gurion when it came to proclaiming the state in May 1948 or we might have been afraid to do it."</p>
<p>Or we were lucky that Ben-Gurion was looking over his (right) shoulder at Begin, worrying that Etzel would beat him to the punch if he didn't declare first.</p>Risa commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707cfaf8970b2009-05-10T22:37:42Z2009-05-10T22:37:42ZRisahttp://isramom.blogspot.comEach of the groups contributed and without any one of them it might not have come together. But two things...<p>Each of the groups contributed and without any one of them it might not have come together. But two things are essential in my view. <br />
1. Begin prevented civil war and Ben Gurion was willing to risk it.<br />
2. We were lucky we had Ben Gurion when it came to proclaiming the state in May 1948 or we might have been afraid to do it. <br />
Two sides of the same coin. <br />
see: http://isramom.blogspot.com/2009/04/anda-play-about-eichmann-trial.html</p>Debbie commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707c88e2970b2009-05-10T17:42:54Z2009-05-10T17:42:54ZDebbiecorner keren kayemet and ushiskin is just about where we will be staying in a few months time - i...<p>corner keren kayemet and ushiskin is just about where we will be staying in a few months time - i would have liked to be there today. certainly we will think of young Alexander Rubovitz as we walk past that corner this summer...thanks for posting this fascinating little known story - i am sure there are many more out there waiting to be told...</p>Jack commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01156f868113970c2009-05-10T16:00:13Z2009-05-10T16:00:13ZJackhttp://wwwjackbenimble.blogspot.com/Very interesting. I just added this to Haveil Havalim.<p>Very interesting. I just added this to Haveil Havalim.</p>Yehuda commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01156f866038970c2009-05-10T15:05:14Z2009-05-10T15:05:14ZYehudaWell said, David. And, I might add, the next-to-last paragraph is dead on. As much as I love The Revolt,...<p>Well said, David. And, I might add, the next-to-last paragraph is dead on. As much as I love The Revolt, by Menachem Begin, I couldn't bear to read the introduction in the new version by Moekie Katz. If you listen to Katz, you would think that David Ben-Gurion was the worst person in the history of the world, and that it was solely Menachem Begin that caused the founding of the State. (And, I would cringe equally at anyone who said the converse.)</p>
<p>Oh, and to Ben-Yehudah above, you are obviously aware that Menachem Begin forgave Ben-Gurion for the Altalena about 4 decades ago. It might be time you did the same.</p>A Simple Jew commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707c21c3970b2009-05-10T14:49:10Z2009-05-10T14:49:10ZA Simple Jewhttp://asimplejew.blogspot.comFacinating! I am extremely interested in Etzel and Lechi history and was unaware that this new book was released and...<p>Facinating! I am extremely interested in Etzel and Lechi history and was unaware that this new book was released and just ordered a copy after reading your posting. Thanks for pointing it out.</p>Ben-Yehudah commented on 'Seeking Closure'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0115707c2036970b2009-05-10T14:43:36Z2009-05-10T14:43:36ZBen-Yehudahhttp://esseragaroth.blogspot.com/B"H Interesting post. I don't think you're being cynical at all in comments regarding the haganah. Look at the Alta...<p>B"H</p>
<p>Interesting post.</p>
<p>I don't think you're being cynical at all in comments regarding the haganah.</p>
<p>Look at the Alta Lena incident.</p>
<p>Will there ever be any justice served there?</p>