Comments on Eldan calling...TypePad2009-02-25T13:47:57ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2009/02/eldan-calling/comments/atom.xml/Rivka with a capital A commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0111689fe57b970c2009-02-28T17:57:30Z2009-02-28T17:57:31ZRivka with a capital Ahttp://coffeeandchemo.blogspot.compower to the people!! stories like this reinforce my faith that we have to speak up and that we can...<p>power to the people!!</p>
<p>stories like this reinforce my faith that we have to speak up and that we can make a difference!</p>
<p>good for you!!<br />
</p>Nachum commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0111689a0b40970c2009-02-26T15:47:24Z2009-02-26T15:47:24ZNachumIn all fairness, I think that lots of maps of Israel come off of clip art sites or discs that...<p>In all fairness, I think that lots of maps of Israel come off of clip art sites or discs that aren't too careful about details. I've seen ads that, say, include Gaza and the Golan but not the West Bank. In international maps, the territories are even often marked as if they were still part of Egypt or Jordan. Sometimes these are even for right-wing groups. It can usually be chalked up to a lazy non-Israeli artist.</p>
<p>National Geographic is super-careful about including the Golan and East Jerusalem within Israel but leaving Gaza and the West Bank all white, as if it wasn't part of any country. That's fair enough, as it's pretty much what the Israeli government says. On the other hand, many of the "official" Israeli tourist maps don't show the Green Line at all. The US government has all sorts of little meaningless rote footnotes all over their maps of the region.</p>David Bogner commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0111689a09e6970c2009-02-26T15:44:53Z2009-02-26T15:44:54ZDavid Bognerhttp://profile.typekey.com/bogieworks/Sarah B.... I HIGHLY doubt that anyone considers this site influentual enough to alter corporate policy. :-)<p>Sarah B.... I HIGHLY doubt that anyone considers this site influentual enough to alter corporate policy. :-)</p>Sarah B. commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0112790ee2c428a42009-02-26T15:40:11Z2009-02-26T15:40:11ZSarah B.http://www.chayyeisarah.blogspot.comAre you sure it was JUST the call? It couldn't be that someone at Eldan reads your blog and realizes...<p>Are you sure it was JUST the call? It couldn't be that someone at Eldan reads your blog and realizes they had a not-insignificant PR problem to deal with?</p>David Bogner commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01116899cddc970c2009-02-26T13:40:50Z2009-02-26T13:40:50ZDavid Bognerhttp://profile.typekey.com/bogieworks/Rahel... no idea why that should be. Maybe as my spam decreased I turned off the requirement. I honestly don't...<p>Rahel... no idea why that should be. Maybe as my spam decreased I turned off the requirement. I honestly don't recall.</p>
<p>Shimshon ... Not every call results in a happy ending, but you don't know until you try. :-)</p>
<p>Karl Newman... This is one of those cultural differences that will never be bridged. In the Israeli mind, you are allowed to do everything unless it is specifically posted that you can't. The typical Americans will never understand this kind of blanket assumption. I'm no lawyer, but my sense (as an American Israeli) is that so long as they don't put in writing that you can't cross the green line, they can't limit coverage in places where a driver can easily go (i.e. there are no signs saying "You are now crossing the green line", and police reports rarely make the distinction of what side of the green line an accident happens. But ultimately you are right. they failed to adjust their point of view to that of the customer... and as a result, they lost you.</p>Karl Newman commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01116899c485970c2009-02-26T13:22:20Z2009-02-26T13:22:20ZKarl NewmanOh, and I did read the terms of the contract. I don't remember Judea, Samaria and the PA being listed...<p>Oh, and I did read the terms of the contract. I don't remember Judea, Samaria and the PA being listed in the contract back then. Hence the question.</p>Karl Newman commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01116899c3a5970c2009-02-26T13:20:33Z2009-02-26T13:20:33ZKarl NewmanThe problem is, that's a question that has to be asked because if the contract really doesn't allow the car...<p>The problem is, that's a question that has to be asked because if the contract really doesn't allow the car over the green line, then I'm liable if something happens to the car. If they want to jerk my chain, then I will just go somewhere else, which I did....to Sixt. As the customer, they're supposed to suck up to me, not the other way around. </p>Shimshon commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01116899bc75970c2009-02-26T13:07:31Z2009-02-26T13:07:31ZShimshonhttp://www.shimshon9.comKol HaKavod!!! Sometimes you just have to call.<p>Kol HaKavod!!! Sometimes you just have to call.</p>Rahel commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0112790e8ef728a42009-02-26T12:48:28Z2009-02-26T12:48:28ZRahelhttp://elmsintheyard.blogspot.comKol ha-kavod, David. On another note, I noticed a while back that I no longer have to sign in to...<p>Kol ha-kavod, David.</p>
<p>On another note, I noticed a while back that I no longer have to sign in to TypeKey when I leave a comment. What happened? Just curious.</p>David Bogner commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011168999c09970c2009-02-26T11:46:57Z2009-02-26T11:46:57ZDavid Bognerhttp://profile.typekey.com/bogieworks/Jehoshaphat ... We have found that in Israel, 'no' means 'maybe'... 'maybe' means 'yes, but I need you to give...<p>Jehoshaphat ... We have found that in Israel, 'no' means 'maybe'... 'maybe' means 'yes, but I need you to give me a good reason'... and 'yes' means 'OK, but I can't tell you exactly when'.</p>
<p>Yehuda... You realize that Israelis love having their lack of facility with English rubbed in their face by smug Americans, don't you? I guarantee you that the employee on the shop floor did not design and print the sign to which you took exception. You will also note that I did not call a rental outlet of Eldan in order to complain about their ads. Do you see the connection? So yes, the clerk should have referred you to their corporate offices or at least to the manager of the store. But the response you got was essentially correct; I didn't write the sign so what do you expect me to do about it".</p>
<p>Karl Newman... Your problem is that you asked a 'kitbag question'. In basic training, when the drill instructor wakes everyone up for an early morning 5 mile run, there is always one idiot who asks, "Are we running with or without our kit bags (knapsacks)"... to which the reply is always 'With'. If you took a moment to read the terms of rental that are published on their website, Eldan does not prohibit crossing the green line with their cars. In fact in the discussion of insurance, the agreement specifically states: "The coverage provided is not valid outside the borders of the State of Israel, Tabah and territories of the Palestinian Authority." This makes it very clear that you are not only allowed to drive anywhere within Israel and Judea and Samaria, but that you are fully insured in those places as well. They simply don't want to have to deal with the headache of broken windows and other damage from thrown rocks (or worse), so when someone asks a kitbag question, they give the most expedient answer. </p>
<p>toby... That is truly an 'only in Israel' story. Thanks!<br />
</p>toby commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011168999777970c2009-02-26T11:34:04Z2009-02-26T11:34:04Ztobyhttp://atimeofthesigns.blogspot.com/Jehoshaphat (and everyone) - another good example: My husband and I used to be diehard Law and Order fans, and...<p>Jehoshaphat (and everyone) - another good example: My husband and I used to be diehard Law and Order fans, and would wait patiently until it was on at 23:00 at night. A couple of times we noticed around 23:02 that it wasn't on, and so my faithful husband called up Channel 1 and asked why. Their response: "Oh, sorry, we forgot - hang on just a minute." And sure enough, a minute later, the show would begin... <br />
I really do love living here!</p>Karl Newman commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0112790e641f28a42009-02-26T11:04:56Z2009-02-26T11:04:56ZKarl NewmanNow call them back and ask them why they weren't going to let me take one of their cars across...<p>Now call them back and ask them why they weren't going to let me take one of their cars across the green line.</p>Jehoshaphat commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0112790e528128a42009-02-26T10:21:08Z2009-02-26T10:21:08ZJehoshaphathttp://judeanow.blogspot.comYehuda, That is because you corrected them about something that in their eyes was of little or now importance. When...<p>Yehuda,</p>
<p>That is because you corrected them about something that in their eyes was of little or now importance. When you correct Israelis about things that they view as important, they take it very seriously. <br />
</p>Yehuda commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01116899777a970c2009-02-26T10:00:37Z2009-02-26T10:00:37ZYehudaThe follow-up and correction is very un-Israeli. I once tried to correct the English on a sign at an upscale...<p>The follow-up and correction is very un-Israeli. I once tried to correct the English on a sign at an upscale Tel Aviv women's clothing store, and the response I received was: "Lo Katavti" (I didn't write it).</p>Jehoshaphat commented on 'Eldan calling...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01116899683b970c2009-02-26T08:56:57Z2009-02-26T08:56:57ZJehoshaphathttp://judeanow.blogspot.comI have always found this to be one of the great things about living in Israel. It is such a...<p>I have always found this to be one of the great things about living in Israel. It is such a small country that you can really make a difference.</p>
<p>I always think to the time that I had an issue with my electric bill. I went down to the electric company's office in Jerusalem (what a view they have there) and negotiated a lower bill. Try doing that in the US.</p>