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Tuesday, September 02, 2008
Steal this idea... please!
First some definitions:
Freshwater (also called potable or drinking water) Water that comes out of your taps at home.
Graywater (also called sullage) Non-industrial waste-water generated from domestic processes such as dish washing, laundry and bathing.
Blackwater (also called sewage) Water that is flushed down the toilet containing, well, you know what it contains.
Here's the deal. Unless you have one of these nifty instant-on natural gas-powered hot water heaters installed on every tap in your home, every single time you turn on the water to do dishes, wash your face or take a shower/bath, you end up letting the water run for anywhere from a few seconds to a minute or more, until it reaches the desired temperature.
Think about that for a moment. Imagine the staggering amount of perfectly clean drinking-quality water that is wasted down the drain as graywater (but which doesn't contain any of the soaps, food particles or other chemical contaminants that make untreated graywater unusable), while you stand there with your finger in the too-cold or too-warm water stream. Worse yet, most graywater ends up joining blackwater in the house sewage lines and is, therefore, completely lost even for municipal re-use.
So here's my idea (actually a two-part idea):
1. In existing homes, a valve could be retrofitted near all sinks and tubs/showers that would allow those wasted seconds/minutes of water (when you are waiting for the temperature to warm up/cool down) to be channeled into a central holding tank somewhere in the house. Once the water reaches the desired temperature the user would turn the valve, sending all subsequent water into the house sewer outlet line. This holding tank that received the first few seconds, or minutes, of perfectly usable water would then become the sole source for refilling the house's toilet tanks after each flush. In the rare event that this holding tank ran low, an automatic level sensor or float switch could top it off from the house's freshwater supply.
2. In new construction homes, the above should be installed as a standard (required) part of the plumbing system, but with a larger storage tank and more extensive piping that would allow this wasted (but not waste) water to also be used for lawn/garden irrigation and water-intensive outdoor tasks such as car-washing.
Not only would these systems dramatically reduce water wastage (through diversion and instant reclamation of clean water), but it would allow toilets and irrigation systems (two major water consumers in the typical home) to be operated with 0 impact on the household water bill.
This also means that homes using this system could apply for and receive blanket exemptions from municipalities in areas where car washing and lawn-watering are severely limited, or even banned, during seasonal droughts.
So go ahead, steal my idea. Please! I don't want a dime.
Just let me know when a commercial system goes on sale so I can have it installed it in my home.
Posted by David Bogner on September 2, 2008 | Permalink
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Great, low tech idea.
I googled the issue. Here are some other attempts.
http://www.enviro-friendly.com/hot-water-recirculators.shtml
http://www.aia.org/aiarchitect/thisweek06/0929/0929p_bpgrnhous.cfm
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6164307.html
I only looked at a few of the sites which came up on the search.
Posted by: zalman | Sep 2, 2008 11:46:13 AM
Great idea!
A similar system is used in RV's, where graywater is used to flush the toilets.
Posted by: Sarah | Sep 2, 2008 11:58:19 AM
Is it my computer, or does your post have a lot of "stuff" (codes?) in it?
But yes, excellent idea.
We recently installed these....things...on all the faucets in the house, which slightly reduces water pressure (we don't really feel a difference in showering), thereby conserving water. It was very low-cost and really saves hundreds of gallons per day.
Posted by: Baila | Sep 2, 2008 12:14:08 PM
First of all, yes, the post is double posted and screwed up format-wise.
I thought about doing a gray-water recycler when I had my house in Tekoa, and it turns out to be a lot more complicated than that - although I still think it's a great idea, someone has to go into the business of installing them. You can't simply build your own.
A few problems: most of the water you run with your finger under it is over the dirty dishes, the result of which is contaminated. Running water in the shower is also contaminated, unless you bleach your shower stall and floor after every shower.
Gray water is not simply "slightly unclear" water, fit for toilets but not fit for drinking. Gray water has microbes that are going to start growing in whatever receptacle they are stores unless properly treated with chlorine and so on.
Take the water from your bath and pour it onto the plants or floor, and then scrub. No problem. But dump it into your toilet tank and wait a day or two and it's going to start smelling and growing things.
Maybe a better solution for what you have in mind: a large jerry can. Hold the can under the shower head or faucet while you wait for the temperature to correct. Then use that water for other things. It's a lot of work, however, and most people aren't going to bother.
Yehuda
Posted by: Yehuda Berlinger | Sep 2, 2008 12:54:45 PM
Baila - it's called a "Hascham" from Hisachon and Hacham
don't forget to sponsor Gila for the ALYN ride!
Posted by: asher | Sep 2, 2008 1:15:53 PM
Great minds think alike!
1) Greywater that stands in a tank will putrefy. How do I know?
When we built our house, I had the sinks, shower, and laundry water exit to a tank outside. That tank will (eventually) feed a reedbed - a shallow pond filled with gravel and planted with reeds. The reeds pump air down to their roots to keep them from rotting - thereby creating an oxygen-rich micro-climate that "digests" the soap and other wastes.
Clear water comes out the other end of the reedbed, into a pond. Combined with winter runoff from our roof, this will (eventually!) be a combination water storage/garden feature.
But right now I use buckets to water the garden from the collection tank. And the untreated, standing greywater STINKS.
2) Most areas of Australia already require greywater plumbing in new construction. But the greywater is filtered/treated at a sewage treatment plant and piped back out - it's not being stored locally by the individual homeowner.
Posted by: Ben-David | Sep 2, 2008 3:02:02 PM
The problem with this idea is that the reason that people let the water run doesn't always have to do with temp. Sometimes people let the water run because they don't want to drink the water that has been sitting in the pipes. So they let it run to get the water that wasnt sitting in the house pipes for so long.
Posted by: Child Ish Behavior | Sep 2, 2008 3:16:36 PM
I agree it's totally wacky that we use drinking water to flush a toilet.
Keeping a jug of water in the fridge to use as cold drinking/rinsing water solves half the problem. No more waiting for the water to get cold enough while it runs down the drain.
Running the water into a plugged side of a two-sided sink also helps to catch the potentially wasted water for other use like rinsing dishes or watering plants.
I like your thinking!
Posted by: Alice | Sep 2, 2008 4:29:31 PM
I heard a discussion about this, albeit many years ago. This particular idea is possible. The problem is that the cost of the contraption you describe is too expensive to justify the amount of water it will save. In contrast, the "chascham" on the sink is simple to manufacture, and costs little.
Posted by: mother in israel | Sep 2, 2008 5:25:10 PM
Aaarrgghhhhh! I can see you standing there, watching the water flowing down the drain for several MINUTES, waiting for it to get cold enough to drink, or hot enough to wash dishes hygienically... while outside your window, some clueless dolt is washing his car. (Hello, yeledim! Are we attending to the level of the Kinneret, as we blithely bathe our autos with whatever drinking water the Syrians et al are leaving us???...)
Or maybe I'm just engaging in a little transference. Anyway, thank you for addressing this issue, as it has bugged The Dearly Beloved and me for some time. (Back in the Texas segment of the Army days, there was a drought. If you were caught washing your car or watering your lawn, you incurred a $1000 fine. And this was without the fear that your hostile neighbors would LOVE to see you begging to buy water from them.)
Though it is clearly not simple, I hope that solutions will be found soon. Some of the above ideas look worth pursuing.
Posted by: rutimizrachi | Sep 2, 2008 8:17:22 PM
My solution is called "watering can"... it goes back two generations.
Posted by: a. | Sep 2, 2008 9:16:28 PM
Guilty! :-)
What impressed me the most were the TwoFlush kits - had never seen them before.
Posted by: Rami | Sep 2, 2008 10:10:54 PM
Great, Trep.
I have neither the capability nor the ambition of ever doing anything with your idea, but now I'll be thinking of you as I stand there in my jaybird costume waiting for the perfect water temperature.
Thanks so much.
Posted by: ADDeRabbi | Sep 3, 2008 10:29:17 AM
"Maybe a better solution for what you have in mind: a large jerry can. Hold the can under the shower head or faucet while you wait for the temperature to correct. Then use that water for other things. It's a lot of work, however, and most people aren't going to bother."
Maybe thats true, but we do in our family. There are buckets under the shower heads in both bathrooms (used for flushing the toilets), empty milk bottles ready to be put under the tap in the kitchen sink (used to water pot plants etc), and bath water gets bucketed out onto the garden. Try living in Australia and you'll realise it's not that much effort!
Posted by: zemirah | Sep 4, 2008 8:30:46 AM
great post. Asher - do you know anywhere in israel where this is happening? I would like to set up a reed bed filtration tank/system at home in Jerusalem, and i may be able to get the SPNI interested....
let me know. And thanks for the tips, guys!
James
Posted by: james | Sep 7, 2008 4:54:13 PM
Although I was behind on reading your site, within 24 hours of reading this post, I saw a segment about just such a system on The Weather Channel. It costs about $5000 and has a specific pipes that run to a filter then on to wherever. Seemed kinda pricey to me, how long would it take to use $5000 worth less water?
Posted by: Beth | Sep 10, 2008 1:50:24 AM
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