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Sunday, March 30, 2008

If a film this shocking had been made about Judaism...

... every film festival in the free world would be lining up to screen it and shower it with awards. 

But because it was made about Islam, the head of the UN has condemned it as hate speech and the original site that had been hosting it, 'Live Leak', has had to remove it because of credible threats against the lives of their staff.

I am, of course, talking about the film 'FITNA' which is, for the time being, still viewable here [shocking image warning: not for children]:

Don't get me wrong.  This film is is not particularly groundbreaking... or even good.  It uses many of the same images we've seen before, and if anything manages to devalue the impact of most of them. 

However, the fact that a second-rate film-maker and his distribution channel have received death threats for daring to show real events, and for translating passages from the Koran that reveal uncomfortable truths about the violent nature of Islamic beliefs, pretty much tells us all we need to know about Islam... without the need to see the film.

UPDATE:  If you have 6 minutes you can spare from your busy day, you must, must, MUST watch the following film which says nearly everything I have been struggling to put into words regarding Islam's deliberate clash with western culture (and western culture's deliberate surrender at every turn).

Hat tip to Avi (A.K.A. British Academic)

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So, I've finally seen this thing.

Ya know, here in the Yewnited States of 'Merica we make films more offensive that that just to say 'Hello'.

THIS, the UN is making stern noises about?

Posted by: balabusta in blue jeans | Mar 30, 2008 10:51:05 AM

Islamists maim and kill people every day all over the world for their comments and drawings, which is likely the reason so many in government, media, etc. fear them - it's just a matter of self-preservation.

Your second video is from Pat Condell - he is a British stand-up comedian, a devout atheist. You can search his name on you tube for lots more of these very funny clips, and lest you think Islam is his only target check out his site at pat condell dot net.

hey - how about a pic of lulu the toddler?

Posted by: yonah | Mar 30, 2008 2:06:37 PM

I had really hoped to not find you propagating this drek. *sigh*

Posted by: a. | Mar 30, 2008 3:41:59 PM

balabusta in blue jeans... Yeah, but then if you look at the cartoon that had them rioting in the streets, that is even more tame... so go figure.

yonah... Yeah, I watched some of his other videos. He has no love for religious settlers either... but not everyone is 100% right on all the issues. :-) In fact, I can respect the guy being in line with most of the UK on Israel so long as he is able to get a lot of his countrymen to wake up to the real danger of Islam.

a. ... 'drek' might be a tad strong, but I won't argue the point. By pointing out that it was a poorly made film by a second-rate film-maker I hoped it was clear I wasn't hyping the film. I simply felt it was important to post it from a free-speech point of view.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Mar 30, 2008 4:00:27 PM

You know, Trep, the comparison to a movie about Jews is apt. I agree that your theorized world response to such a movie about Judaism would be both possible and reprehensible. This, of course, does not mean that the same film about Islam is somehow acceptable. Should it be allowed to be displayed, on free speech grounds? Probably; I don't think it qualifies as hate speech. Should we accord it any attention or respect? No.


Posted by: matlabfreak | Mar 30, 2008 7:39:29 PM

Hats off for this post. I would tell you to beware yourself of Muslim violence against you for taking part in this anti-Islam discourse, but you already live in Israel...

We are always under a death threat!

Posted by: Danny Brothers | Mar 30, 2008 10:37:01 PM

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Edmund Burke

Posted by: Jack | Mar 31, 2008 5:26:53 AM

"It uses many of the same images we've seen before"

Not in the US. The networks, for example, very early on made a decision not to show the planes going into the World Trade Center. Too "distressing," too "inflammatory," whatever.

Posted by: Nachum | Mar 31, 2008 6:02:56 PM

That was the most enjoyable six minutes and thirty-two seconds I have had in a very, very long time. Thank you.

Posted by: The Back of the Hill | Mar 31, 2008 11:43:39 PM

Love the Pat Condell clip--will definitely look up more of his stuff.

Posted by: Gila | Apr 1, 2008 11:09:17 PM

'drek' might be a tad strong

I sort of get your point. :) AVAL....

The film is not just 'poorly made'. This person isn't a film-maker at all. It's not much different than the usual Jihadi hate video, produced in some shack, cheap overlays and all, snippet stapled to snippet and a generous portion of vitriol.
There isn't a single instance in this 'movie' that tells me I am watching proper, scientificly researched facts. Unfortunately enough, this 'movie' will land where people couldn't care less whether 'facts' bear any truth or whether it's just hate speech.

Not relating to your post or comment, but I don't think that the fact that this person is Jerusalem-flashy-wise pro-Israel makes him a saint or puts him in the position to spread extremist views the way he does. If at all, it makes him an insane and dangerous person. Not only that it doesn't make him better than any other extremists sitting on the other side, but it is no asset to the debate about the overall conflict and the disturbing clashes of cultures, believes and co-existing. Things are a bit more complex than putting Islamist hate preachers pars-pro-toto, and with complex things in general, they are best handled by persons who know what they're doing.

Lastly - shouldn't it set off alarm bells in everyone to learn that this person claims this 'movie' as his " 'Mein Kampf' of today"?

Posted by: a. | Apr 3, 2008 7:48:50 PM

I think this is the clip that Yonah is referring to ...


Posted by: Jaime | Apr 3, 2008 9:18:48 PM

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