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Wednesday, March 14, 2007

Confessions of a Middle-Aged Design Diva*

[~a guest post by Zahava~]

Tap, tap, tap…… [blinks nervously].

Hi. Is this thing on? [gently pokes mic…. Yikes! Feedback!…..Hey! Who’s running the sound board?!].


Okay. First of all, I’d really like to thank everyone for stopping by today. I’d also like to thank my husband for sharing the stage with me today. You see…. I have a confession to make:

I Am.   A shameless.    Design.    Snob. 

There! I said it.

Hey, Trep! You’re so right! These public declarations are soooo liberating! Wow!

The thing is, not only am I a design snob, I am proud of it. My visual voice is my entire professional essence. Thanks to a wonderful design education at the Washington University School of Fine Arts, I have developed the skills to market my abilities and use my aesthetic sensibilities in a professional career in graphic design.

Thanks to my incredibly talented and devoted instructors, I learned that there is much involved in design problem-solving.  For example, I learned to be inspired by all the wonderful creative talent that exists in the world. I also learned to show hakaret hatov (giving credit where it is due) for those inspirations. I have been very lucky in that each of my professional opportunities provided exceptional opportunities to learn, explore and grow.

But I digress.

Back to the confession: I am rather opinionated. I am rather direct, and I am rather protective of my work product and my professional reputation. Why?! Because people pay me to be opinionated, direct and protective. It is part of my job description.  Not only that, but if I create something and someone else poops all over changes it ... and people viewing it think I did (or at least approved) the pooping changes. Bad, bad, bad!

Wanna call me a snob or even a diva? That’s okay… I can live with that.

I can also live with the fact that some of those involved with the 2007 JIB Awards think I am acting the spoiled child who can’t or won’t play nicely with the new guy on the design block.  Fair enough.

But what I can’t, and won’t tolerate are the following:

a) A logo I created for the JIBs (on a completely voluntary basis, mind you) which has been associated with my name since the inception of the awards being unceremoniously ‘ganked’ by a self-styled graphic designer and claimed as his own property/work (see the copyright disclaimer at the bottom of all the JIB site pages).

b) When I sent a private email to the three people listed on the JIB site who openly invited feedback and comments, one of them decided to make it public on his blog for the sole purpose of trying to publicly humiliate me.

c) When I take care to deal with a potentially touchy matter privately and someone decides not only to take it public… but then complains in this public forum (his blog) that I should have contacted him privately... Oy! can anyone spell hypocrite for me?

Trust me, this guy had ample opportunity to respond off-line. He didn’t. Rather than debate the merits of my point and/or application of copyright and intellectual property that I raised with him via the privacy of email, he chose to mount a public attack.

The irony is that in his post he claims:

a) … that he “didn’t know I claimed copyright of the design.”  Well duh, that’s why I wrote him a private email.  So now he knows.

b) … that he couldn’t understand why “any one would feel the need to 'own' the design on an individual level”.  Silly, one doesn’t have to understand my motives.  In fact the law doesn’t require that anyone understand or even agree with it… only that they obey it.

c) … that he had no idea “that anyone would care enough to want 'perpetual design credit' in the context of what it is for.”  Huh? And he claims to be a Graphic designer?  Oh my, this ‘designer’ must never have designed anything worth looking at if he didn’t want people to know he’d created it each and every time they saw it. As a point of fact I never asked Aussie Dave for credit for the design (perpetual or otherwise)…. that was just him being a perfect gentleman.  But once credit had been given and my name was publicly associated with the JIB design, I had a professional stake in making sure it remained something I would be proud of.  The graphic designers at the Jerusalem Post understood this last year when they wanted to adapt the logo.  It was a no-brainer.  Again, if this doesn’t make any sense to this guy I wonder how he can call himself a Graphic Designer.

This may be the Diva in me talking… but I feel strongly that this individual owes me a very sincere (and very public) apology. By dragging whatever ego/turf issues he had with the tone and/or content of my private email into a public forum, he lost whatever claim to moral high ground to which he might have been entitled.

I may be a diva and overly protective of my artistic reputation (to the point of being, er, somewhat less than diplomatic in my private communications), but there is stating an opinion, and then there is public defamation of character/Lashon Harah.

IMHO, this guy is guilty of the latter.

[gets down off of soapbox]

* title  of this post is a spoof on the title of the Linsay Lohan flik “Confessions of a Teenaged Drama Queen”

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As a former GD myself, A-freaking-MEN.

Posted by: Ezer K'negdo | Mar 14, 2007 1:26:52 PM

Oy, Zahava! What a loser that guy is. It is such a small and easy thing, to give credit where it is due, and so petty not to. And then to try to humiliate someone publicly, for something that could have been handled in a private, professional manner. Yikes! Klal Yisrael needs this like it needs another Ahmadinawhackjob or two!

Posted by: rutimizrachi | Mar 14, 2007 1:45:56 PM

BTW, nice writing style. Bogner should be proud to share the mic with you, every once in a while.

Posted by: rutimizrachi | Mar 14, 2007 1:47:46 PM

Though I'm not a graphic designer, I can relate. I'm very protective of the photographs I publish and the material I write.

When you create something, it becomes a part of who you are.

Posted by: seawitch | Mar 14, 2007 2:03:44 PM

I agree with you completely. My wife is a graphic designer herself. She was asked if she could redesign the local Hadassah newsletter. She spent a great deal of time and effort (all voluntarily) to give it a complete redesign. When it was unveiled at a meeting, the members loved it. But soon afterwards, the leaders removed the "Layout design by xxxxx" statement (the only compensation my wife asked for), and bumped her off the newsletter altogether.

With the advent of Publisher, Photoshop, etc., people think graphic design is easy, just slap together a few things, print out, and there you go. Sure, it's that way if you are putting together a flier for your garage sale, but if you want something with QUALITY in it, it's a lot of work. Something I now truly appreciate.

I'm not very familiar with JIB (besides the awards listed on the Treppenwitz site) but for the sake of keeping their own reputation as an award worth winning, I hope they give all credit/copywrite back where it is due!

Posted by: Nighthawk700 | Mar 14, 2007 2:12:26 PM

Gives a standing ovation shouting, "You Go Girl!"

Posted by: Rami | Mar 14, 2007 2:29:30 PM

Very well said ... and very well written! Bravo!

Posted by: Yaron | Mar 14, 2007 3:23:08 PM

Well done, Zahava! You dare not let this sort of thing just ease on by without some comment, and this has just the right touch. Mom joins me in "Congrats!"

Posted by: Del Bogner | Mar 14, 2007 4:24:32 PM

Hi, Zahava! Nice to hear from you, as well. I agree with you. It's your work and you attempted to contact him privately. What's his problem?

Posted by: SaraK | Mar 14, 2007 4:31:23 PM

I love how the JIBs just seem to bring out the best in everyone.

Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: psychotoddler | Mar 14, 2007 5:00:50 PM

I never knew you were the JIB logo designer. Awesome work, I've always loved that design!!

Posted by: alan | Mar 14, 2007 5:42:46 PM


It is not going to happen. These awards are always going to create hard feelings and acrimony.

Good intentions are going to continue to be subverted by ego.

Posted by: Jack | Mar 14, 2007 5:51:52 PM

One more thing, I think that Zahava is right.This whole thing could have been handled differently.

Posted by: Jack | Mar 14, 2007 5:53:37 PM

design diva... I love that.
you go girl.

Posted by: weese | Mar 14, 2007 6:12:43 PM

After reading the aforementioned website (which Zahava didn't even link to), I've decided that I will not be voting in or participating in any way with the upcoming JIB awards.

The comments were just too much!

Posted by: safranit | Mar 14, 2007 6:48:00 PM

Hi Dave and Zahava,



Posted by: Maksim-Smelchak | Mar 14, 2007 7:27:14 PM

EK: Glad you concur!

Ruti: My initial reasons for contacting the committee over credit are "like, TOTALLY OVER!" [tosses hair over shoulder].

This has devolved way beyond professional courtesy issues, which is why I attempted to incorporate humor into my response. Glad you enjoyed!

Seawitch: That's it in a nutshell! :-)

Nighthawk: Thank you for adding perspective to this issue. To take it a step farther, it is very important for the beneficiaries of pro bono services to understand that often the contributor seeks two non-mutually exclusive goals: 1) to genuinely help a cause/service/entity of interest to them, 2) an opportunity to showcase their skill and garner a little free publicity. Publicity as compensation does not in any way lessen the value of the the services rendered.

Rami: WOW! Such enthusiasm! Thanks! [blushes]

Yaron: Thanks! I hope my head will still fit through the door later! :-)

Mom and Dad: Somehow, I think if I'd published my initial vent you'd have found a way to justify it! It is GREAT to have you in my corner! Bears should be so protective of their own! :-)

SaraK: I'd prefer not to speculate further on what ails this gent....

Alan: Thanks for the applause! It is always appreciated!

PT: Apparently not.

Jack: As always you are the voice of reason!

Weese: I aim to please! Glad it tickled your funny bone -- we creative head-cases need to stick together! :-P

Safranit: I actually debated whether or not to even post my little diva-dance. While I am truly sorry that this may have a negative impact on the awards, it had to be said. And it had to be said by me.

Posted by: zahava | Mar 14, 2007 7:57:38 PM

Maskim-Smelchak: Pithy and perfect!

Posted by: zahava | Mar 14, 2007 7:59:55 PM

The people at JIB should be ashamed of themselves, apologize and make things right.

The "graphic designer" involved with the JIBs must not have ever actually worked as a graphic designer, because every single GD I know (I earned my BA in art with an emphasis in graphic design, so I know a lot of designers) are adamant about protecting their copyright rights. It's not because they want to be a jerk or make more money, but exactly as you stated, not wanting a design you created to be changed without your permission. I am so tired of people acting like intellectual property means nothing. If it is so unimportant who actually owns the rights to the logo, then I don't see why the people at JIB are making a big deal about you asserting your rights.

Posted by: Fern R | Mar 14, 2007 8:12:02 PM


Firstly, Zahava, I agree with you on every single point.

I just think it fair to note that everyone on the JIB committee does as well, and that we're talking about the actions of one member of the committee who shocked all the others with his post, which the rest of the members asked him to pull as soon as they saw it.

It *was* an honest oversight and should have merely been fixed, and nobody condones the actions of the blogger you are referring to. The question now is what to do about it, and that's being handled as fast as possible.


Posted by: Ezzie | Mar 14, 2007 8:19:36 PM

Fern: In the interest of full-disclosure, only one of the three committee members addressed in my private correspondence has gone public. I have had several other personal correspondence with a second, and Trepp has had personal correspondence with the the third. Odd-man out, as they say. I say this because the two other contacted committee members have responded in a manner becoming real gentlemen. They have acknowledged the initial oversight by the committee, and have responded in a most gracious and appropriate manner. They are, in my book, mentchen yiddin. I hope for their sakes that their comrad will learn from their example.

Posted by: zahava | Mar 14, 2007 8:23:40 PM


The rest of the JIB committee has been trying to deal with it directly, and we've offered Zahava rights to post information directly on the JibAwards.Com site, as well as an apology on that site, and we already dropped the logo until it's worked out.

Unfortunately, in the above post, that information didn't seem to make it in.

Posted by: Akiva | Mar 14, 2007 8:29:35 PM

Well, I tried.

Back to trying to solve the Middle East problem.

Posted by: psychotoddler | Mar 14, 2007 8:30:32 PM

Maybe his problem was that you were not loud enough. He wrote, more than once, that everything you said was a "mute point".
Good for you for standing up for yourself. Otherwise, next time he won't even bother changing your work, just the name attached to it.

Posted by: Chedva | Mar 14, 2007 8:32:27 PM

Ezzie: Jinx! I owe you a beer! :-) We cross posted.

I specifically did not include you, Jack, Rafi G, or the Blogmeister since there was a listed distinction between active and consulting committee members. My intention was only to contact those on a need-to-know basis.

Your words of support are deeply appreciated.

Posted by: zahava | Mar 14, 2007 8:33:02 PM

Akiva: Ouch! You are quite right, though.

In my anger I did neglect to make it clear that the virtual tar-and-feathering I received was rendered by a judge and jury of one. I hope my response to Fern begins to ammend that oversight. My very public apologies are offered to you and the remainder of the JIB Awards team.

PT: I can just see you and Condi at your first summitt together! [grins]

Chedva: Yup! I got a giggle over that too! And a whole host of other malaproprisms! [snort!]

Posted by: zahava | Mar 14, 2007 8:42:27 PM

Hi Zahava, I'm a graphic designer in California. I am totally sympathetic to your situation. I deal with it every day. My assistant or I will come up with a (we think) brilliant design only to have it ruined by a client with zero artistic talent. They'll add something or change something without realizing that it ruins the design. Then they'll tell anyone who will listen, that they created the whole thing. I stopped signing my work years ago. Once it leaves my studio I have no control and I couldn't care less. I always get paid. db

Posted by: David Bailey | Mar 14, 2007 8:51:28 PM

As a graphic designer also, I feel the same way about my work. So I totally sympathise and support where you're coming from.

And if you are a design diva (love the phrase!) or I am a design diva... so be it! It's the creative perfectionist coming out.

Posted by: ~ Sarah ~ | Mar 14, 2007 9:34:29 PM

Zahava, I already emailed David about this, I'm sure he passed what I wrote onto you. I feel so horrible about all of this and I really feel I'm the one who should be taking the blame for everything.

I should have contacted you as soon as we took the jibs over, at least to touch base and confirm my what I had (wrongly) assumed. I just didn't want to be a bother to you. I know you did this for free and I didn't want to come off as a nag to ask for (more) free design work when we had someone who was willing to do the design work.

I really understand the term falling on ones sword, because right now I feel as though that is what I should do. I take full responsibility for this entire mess and I'm very sorry for the reaction you got.

I will email Dave soon to discuss this further.

I just wish this wouldnt have tainted the Jibs already, we really are just trying to do the right thing and make something everyone could be proud of. Maybe Jack is right, maybe that will never happen, maybe I should give up, maybe if we can't do this right, we shouldn't even try to do it all.

I really don't know at this point ...

Posted by: Chaim | Mar 14, 2007 10:32:03 PM

I'm going to sidestep the whole discussion (because everyone else has already stated all the points I was going to say) and simply say :

I <3 Design Snobs!

Posted by: jennifer | Mar 14, 2007 10:35:28 PM

This isn't even a copyright issue IMNSHO. Even here in the free software world where copyright is a four-letter word, retaining the credit of the original designer is one of the golden rules.

As for the guy's reaction... words fail me. "I've been called on bad behaviour so I'm going to behave even worse. That'll show them!"

Posted by: Simon | Mar 15, 2007 12:55:40 AM

I am supposed to remain silent but I can't. I am not going to comment on the goings on as I am a member of the comittee, but I could because unlike most of the people who have commented above I HAVE seen both sides. BUT I will say that the Loshen Hora contained in some of these comments is disgusting.

Posted by: Yidwithlid | Mar 15, 2007 4:21:45 AM

Jack: As always you are the voice of reason!

Oy, you are going to ruin my reputation. Then again you are married to a Sox fan so.... ;)

I just wish this wouldnt have tainted the Jibs already, we really are just trying to do the right thing and make something everyone could be proud of. Maybe Jack is right, maybe that will never happen, maybe I should give up, maybe if we can't do this right, we shouldn't even try to do it all.

I really don't know at this point ...


You are doing the best you can. It is not like Jews are easy to work with. :)

Posted by: Jack | Mar 15, 2007 6:33:49 AM


You have my full and complete apology.
I sincerely wish you no malice, and I hope over time you may one day forgive me.


Posted by: Bagelblogger | Mar 15, 2007 7:28:03 AM

David Bailey: [SIGH] Yes, I too have bought that particular T-shirt.... Have you ever heard the funny story attributed to the famous Milton Glaser? It is a classic and sums up the lives of oh-so-many designers' frustrations! My typographic design professor shared it with my class after a particularly brutal crit!

Milton, having recently graduated from design school, finished his first project -- the layout and design of a coffee-table art book. Delighted with the results and his first commercially produced job, he brings it home to show his mother.

"Milton," she says, "THIS is LOVELY. I LOVE the photographs."

"Um, thanks Mom. I didn't take the photographs."

"Oh. Well... the illustrations are also nice."

"Ummmm.... well... I didn't draw those."

"Oh. Well the printing seems quite professional."

"Mom. I am not a printer. I didn't print the book."

"Milton! You didn't really make this book, then, did you?!"

~Sarah~: We divas need to stick together! :-)

Chaim: Please don't fall on your sword! I am really quite squeamish and the blood won't be pretty! :-P

You know, after 20-plus years in the design industry I am very aware of how lacking in knowledge the general populace is regarding intellectual property concerns. I really don't begrudge you guys the oversight. Heck, I am used to it.

It is perhaps the 20-plus years of banging my head against this particular issue which had me a bit testier in my correspondence than may have been warranted.

My reaction when I saw the visual adjustments was undeniably diva-like! All I could think of was "NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!" I really, and I mean REALLY did not want people to think that this was my work. And I can understand why the person who implemented it might be a bit... er... chaffed by that sentiment.

The way he dealt with it, however, was a bit unprofessional. And nasty.

As for how to steer the JIBs back into calmer waters.... I don't have the answer to that. As Jack rightly pointed out, we (Jews) can be a contentious lot.

According to P.T. Barnum, "There's no such thing as bad publicity." Maybe there will be a silver lining in this particular little storm cloud. I hope so.

Jennifer: Thanks for the virtual hug! Kindred souls....

Simon: To quote EK, "A-freaking-men!"

Yidwithlid: Wow. I REALLY hope you didn't stop by here with the sole intention of nu-nu-nu'ing me. You can't comment because you are a member of the active committee? That's RICH coming from the first commenter on the very public attack on my character!

I am willing to have some dan l'chaf zchut that by channeling David HaMelech that you were trying to diffuse the situation with humor. And really, it was a witty comment. Hats off to you. Even in my horrified state it produced a chuckle.

But last time I checked, there were 15 comments over there, and you didn't feel the need to nu-nu-nu anyone attacking ME. So... you'll excuse me for not playing the role of the gracious hostess.

Please.... feel free to correct me if I have assumed your position incorrectly.

Jack: [ducks for cover]... I'm a Sox fan too! Native even. Explains a LOT, no?! :-)

Posted by: zahava | Mar 15, 2007 8:22:23 AM

Hats off to you, Mrs. B, for handling the issue so well. You're absolutely correct (as always :-P )!

Posted by: tnspr569 | Mar 15, 2007 9:27:02 AM

Regarding the comment allegedly left by bagleblogger with the following timestamp:

"Posted by: Bagelblogger | Mar 15, 2007 7:28:03 AM"

While it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Mr. Bagel was traveling when he posted the comment, the IP address is in a country that it would certainly be strange for him to have been visiting.

If this was indeed the bagelblogger, I will need either a second comment or a private email (treppenwitz @ gmail dot com) confirming what country the comment was posted from. Barring that I will remove the 'apology' by 1:00PM Israel time today so as not to mislead anyone.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Mar 15, 2007 9:56:50 AM

Bagelblogger (if this in fact you): We cross-posted. Thank you. I appreciate and accept your apology.

I mean you no malice, either, and I apologize for the confrontational tone of my email.

I appreciate your taking down the post. I was shocked, however -- and believe it or not -- saddened to see that you removed your whole site.

This morning I wandered over to Irina's site (sorry, honey -- I don't know how to link!) after seeing that she joined the JIB committee. I thought her post was very well considered.

The truth is, the internet has dramatically changed access to peoples' ideas and images. The design community as a whole is still working through many of these issues.

I haven't completely wrapped my head around everything that she discusses -- but think she raises very valid points and look forward to follow-up.

Of course, as a design-diva, I worry that ultimately, in order for copyrights to be noticeable enough, the recommendation will be to boldly stamp it across our work....[shudder].

Posted by: zahava | Mar 15, 2007 10:09:44 AM

Zahava, the online design community has been trying to deal with this issue for at least the past 12 years, without a lot of success. In spite of copyright law or Creative Commons licenses, there's no way to get around people's willful ignorance.

Posted by: jennifer | Mar 15, 2007 11:25:16 AM

OK Zahava lets try this again READ what I said,

I am supposed to remain silent but I can't. I am not going to comment on the goings on as I am a member of the comittee, but I could because unlike most of the people who have commented above I HAVE seen both sides. BUT I will say that the Loshen Hora contained in some of these comments is disgusting.

I was talking about the commenters.

Now read what you wrote back:

Yidwithlid: Wow. I REALLY hope you didn't stop by here with the sole intention of nu-nu-nu'ing me. You can't comment because you are a member of the active committee? That's RICH coming from the first commenter on the very public attack on my character!

I wasn't talking about YOU. But YOU were pretty quick to strike out with a mean spirited response. And actually I was asked NOT to comment on the goings on after I posted on bagel's blog. Even that comment didn't mention YOU it was a satiric letter from King David to Aaron on the entire situation. I have not and never will attack you personally or professionally. As a Marketing Director with a few Design Divas reporting to me, I know how dangerous that could be.

After reading your site last night before I commented (And no not just this page) I know how much you and your family care about Judaism. So You must also realize how dangerous some of the mean spirited comments were also.

Posted by: Sammy Benoit | Mar 15, 2007 4:02:46 PM

Hi Zahava, What does Loshen Hora mean? db

Posted by: David Bailey | Mar 15, 2007 6:24:26 PM

Sammy: Please accept my apologies. I have reread your comment and my response. I over-reacted. Thanks to our youngest puking his guts up every 20-minutes last night and most of today, I have had very little sleep, have a keen migraine, and didn't read as carefully as I ought to have. I offer this not to excuse, but rather to explain my biting response.

I truly did think your response to his rant funny (quick sarcastic wit and a cup of coffee will take you a LOOOOOONG way in garnering my respect!). But I did feel, a bit, that in your comment you were also making fun of my stance on the whole thing.... I'm sorry if I read into that something that was not there.

I do realize how dangerous mean spirited comments can be. It is for that reason that I didn't respond on the other guy's blog. It is also for that reason that I tried very hard to keep my response light while addressing the very real issue of having taken public beating over a privately addressed issue. And yes, the email was addressed to three individuals, but they represented ONE committee -- ONE ENTITY. That is a group, but a PRIVATE one.

My concern over destructive comments is also why I was very quick to publicly apologize to Akiva for not having been clear from the outset that I neglected to clarify that 1) my rant was not directed at the JIB Awards committee as a whole, but rather by this specific attack on me; and 2) that everyone else associated with the JIB Awards had been professional, courteous and extremely menchlich. Akiva did IMMEDIATELY offer to post an apology and to allow me to post a statement.

I did not take Akiva up on his offer for several reasons. The biggest reason, however, is the fact that by taking it to his PERSONAL blog this guy took the issue outside the realm of the committee. While I deeply appreciate the committee's desire to rectify the usage issue, the committee really can not apologize for what this individual did. Only he can.

I appealed to the committee to try to convince him to remove his post and to apologize before taking my response public. Heck! I even slept on it!

Regarding your comment about the destructiveness of some of the comments (and in fairness there were few that were aimed directly at the other designer) I tried to deal with it by directing my responses to support for me and not distaste for him and/or his deed. Perhaps that was too subtle. I agree that lashon hara is the worst weapon out there. It is the root cause of sinat chinam and is responsible for the galut.

Now...O n a completely different direction.... just how many design divas DO you have reporting to you? If it is more than two, you must have a masters degree in diplomacy! Or at least own stock in one of the over-the-counter pain relief medications....heh, heh, heh!

Posted by: zahava | Mar 15, 2007 6:56:39 PM

David Bailey: Lashon Hara is Hebrew for "evil tongue." It refers to a set of laws and customs which observant Jews (hopefully) refer to regarding what is and isn't permissible in speech and communication.

Looking back over my response to Sammy, I realize I neglected to translate a few other things...

Sinat chinam is Hebrew for baseless hatred. Galut is Hebrew for diaspora or dispersion. Sorry for including translations at the outset.

Posted by: zahava | Mar 15, 2007 7:04:34 PM

YIKES! I am REALLY tired! Sorry for NOT including translations at the outset.....

Posted by: zahava | Mar 15, 2007 7:07:15 PM

Zahava you forgot to explain meshugah, as in you and David have got to be meshugah to be Sox fans.

Can't wait to eat my rugelach again this year. ;)

Posted by: Jack | Mar 15, 2007 7:56:09 PM

Hope Yonah feels better soon!

Zahava, as to your point about stamping a designer's name on his or her work, that's actually not such a terrible idea. I've seen online designers who did that, which certainly solved many problems... and actually, there's a long tradition behind it, starting with the time ancient artists first started etching out their own names on their paintings to keep from being confused with the numerous imitators.

Posted by: Irina | Mar 15, 2007 9:44:49 PM

David, Bagel comes out of Australia via a _satellite_ provider. I would not be shocked to find a ground station in a 3rd inexpensive country.

Posted by: Akiva | Mar 15, 2007 9:45:51 PM

Akiva: While I am still willing to consider that the above Bagel blogger commenter is not an impersonator -- considering that someone (allegedly) claiming to be Bagelblogger posted a 2nd equally ugly post elsewhere in the blogosphere certainly does diminish that likelihood.... dontycha think?!

I responded as I did to that commenter, because I realized that whether it was really him or not, those are actually my sentiments. My initial email was NOT intended to harm him nor cause him embarrassment -- only to ensure that the changes as implemented were not accidentally attributed to me due to my previous association with the program.

It is ironic, that it was HIS actions which made it public knowledge that I didn't like what he'd done. Had he not posted what he did, it would have remained our (yours, Chaim's, his, David's and my) secret.

Posted by: zahava | Mar 15, 2007 10:41:19 PM

Irina: Thanks! Yonah is, B"H, feeling much better.

The problem with the stamp idea (and this is why I shudder at the idea) is that it would likely become another potentially visually competitive element which could easily detract from the art itself. It is far easier -- especially in terms of scale and proportion -- to bury a signature in an illustration/photograph that find a place to stick "© Z. Bogner 2007" on a graphic which might only be 60 pixels by 80 pixesl big!

Posted by: zahava | Mar 15, 2007 10:46:56 PM

That's true... although, instead of putting up the whole big thing, maybe it's possible to come up with a small signature mark no one can mistake for anyone else's.

Posted by: Irina | Mar 16, 2007 2:31:15 AM

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