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Thursday, January 04, 2007

The 'natives' are getting restless (again)

I'm always amused when pro-Pali (anti-Israel) blogs and news sources go to great lengths to assert that the Jewish residents of this region are all recent interlopers, while the 'native' Arab residents have long-standing, deep cultural and familial ties to the land.

For the record, I patently reject the Zionist myth of modern Jewish settlers miraculously finding 'a land without people for a people without a land'.  But 19th century Turkish/Ottoman-era maps, photographs and census documents provide incontrovertible proof that while both Jews and Arabs can claim a very modest presence in the land going back centuries... the overwhelming majority of current Jewish and Arab residents are descendants of parallel waves of immigration that occurred in modern times.

[Sheesh... if I had realized it would take two whole paragraphs to explain the 'scare quotes' in the title of this post, I would have picked another title!  :-)  ]

Clear so far?  Good... on to the rest of the post.

On December 25th our Prime Minister announced his decision (against the strong advice of senior IDF staff) to remove 27 roadblocks throughout Judea and Samaria as a 'gesture' to the Palestinian population in order to ease the plight of those who find it difficult to travel to work and to visit family. 

To place this decision in a different context which might be a bit more accessible to some of you... it would be roughly akin to President Bush ordering (against the strong advice of his Homeland Security Advisers) the removal of security screening facilities at a few dozen US airports as a gesture to the traveling public in order to ease the onerous burden of both business and recreational travelers.

To be even more base, it would be like a woman deciding to allow her boyfriend to go without 'protection' whenever they have sex on Tuesdays as a gesture of goodwill and so the experience will be more enjoyable for him... at least some of the time.

In short, while the sentiment behind Olmert's decision might be laudable, it is completely divorced from logic.  Either there is a compelling reason for the protection of security check-points or there isn't.  If not, then take them all down and open the roads.  But if you can't mount a reasonable argument for removing all the check points then you can't make a case for removing any of them.

I know... I know.  Some of you are already getting ready to explain to me that the checkpoints are 'only' in the west bank and not at the crossing into 'Israel proper'.  To you I would ask the following questions:

1.  Would it be OK for President Bush to only remove security checkpoints at small regional airports while leaving them in place at national and international 'Hubs'?

2.  Does the Government of Israeli have a lesser burden of responsibility to protect its citizens who are legally living in 'the territories' under it's direct control?

3.  Is there anything... anything at all... in the past performance of the Palestinians that would suggest that they will not immediately use this 'easing of restrictions' for cynical purposes that will ultimately cost Israeli lives - both inside and outside the green line?

To answer my last question (did you really think it was rhetorical?), we need look no further than the news* since the roadblocks began to be removed.  As if on cue there has been a huge increase in the number and severity of stonings and fire-bombings along the roads of Judea and Samaria. 

On the road I travel to and from work there have been nearly hourly reports of cars damaged by stones and Molotov cocktails since the restrictions began to be eased.

This defies logic!  One would think that increased violence would result form increased pressure/restrictions, right? 

But instead, each and every 'gesture' Israel has ever made towards easing the plight of the Palestinian population has resulted in increased attacks and violence.  Every attempt to make 'occupation' less onerous for the Arabs has been met with direct violence... and the one real test case for removing any semblance of 'occupation' (Gaza) has provided proof of the direst warnings that the response to autonomy would be increased attacks against Israel/Israelis.

I'm sure there are those of you who will 'pooh-pooh' and 'pshaw' the actual danger posed by stones and fire-bombs. Heck, many of us (especially those of us who don't live in Sderot) have already started mentally downplaying the danger of 'primitive' kassam rockets.   I would ask you to watch this short video before rushing to judgment about the danger posed by such improvised and home-made weapons.

To place these new developments on an even more personal level...while I have always taken the precaution of commuting to and from work with a loaded pistol tucked next to my driver's seat, I stopped wearing a bullet proof vest when the last Intifada seemed to have 'ended'. 

Now that the 'natives' are getting restless once again, I may have to seriously rethink that decision.

* Recent reports of attacks: here, here, here, and here. I looked for reports in Haaretz but apparently they are not aware of any attacks against Israeli citizens worthy of mention.


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When you write that "the sentiment behind Olmert's decision... is completely divorced from logic", are you saying you "can't conceive of extenuating circumstances under which the other guy's position might be tenuously defensible?"

Posted by: Josh | Jan 4, 2007 11:52:24 AM

Josh... What, did you want me to say 'seems'... as in "the sentiment behind Olmert's decision... SEEMS completely divorced from logic"? Would that have settled you down some?? Hmmm???

Let me be frank (although my name is really David)... Rather than leaving pedantic, marginally-relevant, rhetorical questions on my comment board, why not simply provide what I'm sure will be a perfectly cogent and rationale defense of Olmert's decision. I know you can do it if you try. I mean seriously, I left you about a gazillion hooks on which you could hang your argements... so go ahead and take your best shot!

But barring that, please take the day off and come back when you are ready to be a useful contributor to the discussion.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Jan 4, 2007 12:05:21 PM

I still don’t get it Trep, Why majority of Israelis living in 'the territories' under Israeli .Gov’s control are American Olim… they fill in the ‘Promised Land void’, yes, but its also clear to see that you’re ‘Guinea Pigs’ being used to achieve political credence. Is there more to it than what meets the eye?

Posted by: Rami | Jan 4, 2007 3:33:12 PM

Rami... Where on earth did you get the idea that the majority of people living in Judea and Samaria are American Olim??? Any premise that begins with this assumption is bound to be fatally flawed.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Jan 4, 2007 3:43:57 PM

Pulling out of Gaza didn't help, lifting check point restrictions is not going to help. Olmert seems almost schzoid in his decision making.

Palestinian terror attacks( Molotov cocktails, stones, Kassams, suicide bombers, etc) have been given justification by far too many.

Just about every humanterian move that Israel has made has been met with increaded violence from Palestinians. That is where the problem lies.

Israelis were uprooted from Gaza and Sderot has faced almost daily Kassam attacks since.

Israel existance seems to be all the justification that Palestinians need for terror attacks. Even if every Israeli were to be moved out of the West Bank, I doubt if the Palestinians would stop their terror attacks.

Posted by: seawitch | Jan 4, 2007 4:30:29 PM

It has become clear that the opposition believes that continued violence will wear Israel down.

They know that an all out war is not something that they can expect to win, but a low grade war of attrition is different.

Especially when they have managed to get more people buy into their narrative and the increasing acceptance of the idea that this is the key to regional stability.

Israel needs to take steps to convince them that this is not a viable solution and that it will not lead them to where they want to be.

Posted by: Jack | Jan 4, 2007 5:46:53 PM

I've been watching this kind of stuff go on in our various governments for the past fifteen years. I'm in complete agreement with you, and frankly, I don't know what to think anymore.

I think this is probably the main reason why my blog has so many cat pictures. My hat is off to you.

Posted by: Rahel | Jan 4, 2007 6:14:46 PM

Rami got that idea from the mainstream media and its liberal-Left-agenda writers who accept the Palestinian narrative, however full of lies it is, without question. A very good friend of mine (American and Jewish) told me the same thing--sort of a 'well, everyone knows that!' comment. I dug up figures to show she was wrong -- then she volte-faced and told me that the Israeli government was exploiting the "poor" who obviously moved across the Green Line in search of "affordable housing." Can't have a reasonable discussion with idealogues of the Left. They hate Israel and when you have a quiet discussion with them, they produce garbage straight from the Palestinian websites and the Guardian (which is much the same thing these days)...

Posted by: aliyah06 | Jan 4, 2007 6:31:55 PM

Like Jack, I believe that Israel continues to do these types of gestures in hopes that it will lead them to where they want to be but we continually see that the efforts have been futile.

In all honesty, how are we to make peace with a people who cannot even make peace among themselves?

Posted by: orieyenta | Jan 4, 2007 6:53:49 PM

I really believe that you are seeing the light, on the seriousness of this problem. Israel has been pushed and pushed to give, give, and give some more. Lazer Beams showed a video on his blog about this very thing,yesterday. It Is worth watching. Hashem bless and watch over you and your family. Hashem give wisdom to the Israel Goverment.

Posted by: Ma? | Jan 4, 2007 7:08:38 PM

I just watched the video you linked to- how heartbreakingly sad. You're so right, the world downplays the Kassams and other Pali weapons, makes them sound almost like toys that can't be compared to our big, bad army. It's infuriating.

Posted by: RR | Jan 4, 2007 8:08:29 PM

Even my brother got all kinds of bullshit info in his education in the Univ. California system. The thing is - and I AM one of those raving liberals - that when it comes to Israeli history, there is a vast amount of historical rewriting happening. When I showed him the information you mention at the start (about equal waves of immigration) - he pulls out textbooks that just plain don't tell the truth. His justification: "Well, they don't see it that way."

I always wonder, though, how is it that in the sciences, you cannot base on or reference books - because they can say anything they want - and you can only reference actual experiments and data, yet in the social sciences and history, anything anyone says is of equal value. Ottoman census data counts equally to revisionist history "because that's how they see it."

Don't agree with everything, but again, like the blog.

Also - to one of the commenters, Americans, despite being high profile, are not overrepresented in settlements.

Posted by: Sara | Jan 4, 2007 8:22:40 PM

"each and every 'gesture' Israel has ever made towards easing the plight of the Palestinian population has resulted in increased attacks and violence. Every attempt to make 'occupation' less onerous for the Arabs has been met with direct violence..."
Yup! And that's why I lend no credence to supposed 'Peace Initiatives' directed toward the Palestinians. When the day arrives where they show they are capable of living in a peaceful manner toward their own, nevermind toward Israelis, then perhaps I will think a little deeper about it. Until then, finish the Fence, keep the Checkpoints up, and watch carefully for their next 'incursion'.

Oh, and where are the kidnapped Israeli soldiers? Where? Has the world forgotten them? I haven't!

Posted by: benning | Jan 4, 2007 9:13:33 PM

'I think this is probably the main reason why my blog has so many cat pictures.'

Guffaw, Rahel. I liked this telling comment.

On the bright side, I've decided that washing my hands after going to the bathroom EVERY time is probably a bad idea. I figure if I 'ease up' on the restrictions I place on e. coli and their myriad fellows, I'll have less of a chance to become infected!

It's logical, time-saving, and more convenient! Win-win!

Posted by: Wrymouth | Jan 5, 2007 5:31:43 AM

I've seen a lot of things in my time, but I didn't finish that video. It's not viewing the child or listening to the story....which are bad enough....it's knowing what the child has to go through during the burn treatments. Ugh.

I understand that Israelis are tired of terrorism and outright war. But many seem to be resigned to their perceived fates. Israel will continue to experience terrorism until the Israeli people as a whole decide they have had enough and decide to fight back. Not just by the IDF making periodic raids into Pali towns, but by slowly and surely turning those towns into rubble. After all, that would be mild compared with what the Arabs would do to Jews if the roles were reversed.

As long as the Palestinians smell fear and detect weakness, Israel will be in danger. It's the same story with Islam in western Europe and to a lesser extend, the US. Peace is not an options if Israel or the west wants to survive.

Posted by: K Newman | Jan 5, 2007 10:38:19 AM

Or how about
letting the nigras travel at the front of the bus for change,

or let the nigras use white only toilets,

just let the Jews into public parks post 1933 Germany

Posted by: joe90 | Jan 5, 2007 11:23:58 PM

A house divided against itself cannot stand.

Posted by: Scott Fleming | Jan 5, 2007 11:26:29 PM

I never have understood why one gives concessions to those who only wish to take more from you. Israel's history is full of concessions while being stabbed in the back.

Get the roadblocks back and let others earn the right of their removal.

Posted by: Tim | Jan 5, 2007 11:45:06 PM

Israel's history is full of concessions while being stabbed in the back.

- I couldn't put it better myself.

The old Third Reich's complaint about Germany being stabbed in the back in WWI, now modernised, brought up to date, assimilated and transmorgrified by the brainwashed fanatical jihadist of the Fourth Reich of the current Israeli Regime.

This blog is like falling ito atimewarp back into 1920s-1930s Weimar-Nazi Germany. The only thing that's different is the Proper nouns.

So what about it then,
'Germany-Israel stabbed in the back' or wot?

Posted by: joe90 | Jan 6, 2007 12:15:18 AM

I completely agree. And, while the insanity exists, please wear the vest :)

Posted by: Seattle | Jan 6, 2007 5:10:54 AM

This blog is like falling ito atimewarp back into 1920s-1930s Weimar-Nazi Germany. The only thing that's different is the Proper nouns.

If you want to be taken seriously you need to provide facts.

All you have done is post some disjointed ramblings.

Posted by: Jack | Jan 6, 2007 8:32:58 AM

I am not against existance of Israel as long as it is created within boundaries of Europe. Existing Jewsish entity (so called state of israel) is an illegal state as it is founded on Palestanain land. Todays 90% Jews are Ashkenazi, decendant of Bani Khazaria. Remaining 10% sepharidc might be decendant of Bani Abraham..In any case even Abraham had no right to colonise Palestine. Abraham was from Ur (Iraq). According to Torah it was king pf Palestine who offered sanctury to Abaraham. In return Abraham assured the King that he (Abraham) and his children will remain loyal to Palestanian. What a Joke that King of Plaestine took this man's (Abraham's) word seriously..and Palestanians are suffering from that momemts onwards. Jews should remeber that israel will get destroyed. It is the question of time. It may take 100 or 200 years but it is going to happen. Arabs will have nuke,,,Many Arb cities will be ruined, but nothing will be left out of Isreal. So it is the sensible solution for the Jews to voluntariliy abonden the occupation and renounce the state of Israel. In return, Plaestanain would allow them to live in Palestine as brothers. But if Jews wants to stick to the concept of Ertez Isreal where they are the master and Plaestanian (goyam) are slave, then it will lead to disaster for the whole region, but it will be worst for Jews themselves.

Posted by: Farrukh | Jan 6, 2007 2:23:53 PM


It doesn't matter whether a Jew is Ashkenazi, Sephardic or what. The DNA doesn't lie, Jews come from the Middle East. That they've been spread all over the world doesn't change that. The Jews never left. During the Exiles and after the Diaspora, there was always a remnant that stayed. They were there when the Arabs and Islam invaded. Arabs are the invaders and conquerors, not Jews.

As for ancient Palestinians....you've got to be kidding. Pals are Arabs, Arabs came out of Arabia. The Jews were in Israel long before the first Arabs showed up. Do you claim to be the descendant of the Canaanites or the Philistines? If so, you're not Arab. Nice try, but the facts don't support your argument.

Posted by: K Newman | Jan 7, 2007 12:15:26 AM

Any and all easing of restrictions on the so called Palestinians are taken by the so called Palestinians as an other opportunity to kill as many of us as possible.

Posted by: Mickysolo | Jan 7, 2007 5:12:39 AM

Farrukh: I am an American, and not Jewish. I have a big heart for the people in the region, both Arab and Jewish. I would like to see all of God's children live in peace. But when you say things like you have in your statements, like "Arabs will have nuke ... but nothing will be left out of Israel" etc, you categorize yourself with the people who I can find no common ground with. For the sake of our children, please re-think your aggressive positions. People like me would rather feed hungry children, build hospitals, build houses, promte education, and friendship among people.

There are many like me whose compassion and understanding are deep, but, if you are not willing to promote peace, and someday it comes that we must take sides, a position like yours leaves no room for sympathy. Then you will find that all of the wealth and energy that could have helped you, would be faced against you towards the line you have drawn between us.

You won't like it.

I beg of you, and those who feel the same way: don't go in that direction. Think of the children, of a beautiful future, not the way that leads to destruction.

Let me be truthful. There is no fear here. I know our military holds power beyond imagination. The restraint that we use (and possibly should use much more of) is not of cowardice. It is out of caring for people. I acknowledge that you are a proud and un-fearing people. And so are we.

Your comment, Farrukh, invites an unkind reply. However, I am taking the time to offer a respectful "let's not go that way; let's find a better way." Not everything in history will seem fair to all people, and I do not wish to discuss what is history, but where we can go today. We should find a reasonable path that should help all people, and not a way that leads to death. Do you believe in a Creator who loves all the children, or only some of them? I hope this meets with understanding.

Posted by: Seattle | Jan 7, 2007 7:23:49 AM


There has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel for thousands of years.

You speak about occupation but seem to forget your own history. Islam was spread by the sword, by occupation. Rather hypocritical of you to ignore that.

In any case, you can make your predictions about the destruction of Israel. If it makes you feel better, say it a couple of times.

But remember, it took 2,000 years for us to bring back our state. Do you think that you have any chance against people who can do that.

Impossible, won't ever happen.

The best thing for you is to accept Israel and to act as a real partner for peace.

Forget the threats and come with open arms and see what happens.

Posted by: Jack | Jan 7, 2007 7:52:44 AM

Very “typical” (no offence) of you Farrukh, you started off so well but when you got to the “Israel will get destroyed” and “Arabs have nuke” part… I lost you. If you value life and the right to self-determination then you would see what I see, it’s seldom about the Jew or the Palestinian.

Posted by: Rami | Jan 8, 2007 8:47:46 AM

seawitch... I share the sentiment found in your last sentence... but I would replace 'doubt if' with 'know they would not'.

Jack... I don't know who is worse... Israel as teacher or the Palis as students of this particular lesson.

Rahel... I sometimes feel like I'm about two weeks away from becoming a cat-blogger. :-)

aliyah06... They are like the high school debating team that is assigned the job of defending Big Tobacco's position. They will grasp at any straw available even if they know if is all sh*t.

orieyenta... You've just asked the one inconvenient question that the left here, in Europe and in the US refuses to ask itself.

Ma?... I pray every week that hashem will give wisdom to the government but it is feeling more an more like a blessing in vain.

RR... I would be willing to set up a kassam factory in Israel and shoot them at the Palis to see how they like it. I'd also volunteer to stand along the side of the road and throw rocks and Molotov cocktails at Pali cars. But that's just me.

Sara... This journal isn't about buying into all my ideas or toeing some imaginary line. It is about exchanging ideas. Thanks.

benning... I don't care about the world. It bothers me that WE seem to have forgotten them.

Wrymouth... excellent analogy.

K Newman... You've just described the mindset of all Arabs.

joe90... Are you still out of jail? I would have thought the Manchester police would have rounded you up long ago. Keep bothering me and I will out you for real.

Seattle... Still deciding on that score.

Jack... Sorry my 'blog goy' deleted Joe's first comment before she saw you'd responded.

Farrukh... You are a festering pimple on the ass of a dog. I have elected to leave your comment up as an object lesson to anyone who doesn't understand the Arab mentality towards non-Arabs (especially Joos). Please go back to having relations with your camel.

K Newman... You are trying to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and it annoys the pig.

Mickysolo... Exactly so.

Seattle... You give far too much credit. Please see my comment to K Newman.

Jack... Ever notice how when you try to explain the internal combustion engine to a dog it tilts its head to one side and looks at you with a complete lack of comprehension? Faroukh is looking at his monitor in exactly the same way as he reads your comment. Waste of time.

Rami... Don't even bother.

Posted by: treppenwitz | Jan 8, 2007 9:08:51 AM

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