Comments on In which karma catches up with treppenwitzTypePad2006-06-18T08:09:45ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2006/06/in_which_karma_/comments/atom.xml/Seth commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523cdd88342006-06-19T20:14:49Z2008-02-14T04:44:35ZSethhttp://judenstadt.blogspot.comBut really we can't start with a blank slate - no matter how hard we try. They best thing to...<p>But really we can't start with a blank slate - no matter how hard we try. They best thing to do is to acknowledge that you don't have a blank slate, and then observe with this in mind.</p>jg commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523ca788342006-06-19T16:51:57Z2008-02-14T04:44:33Zjghttp://nycgadgetgirl.com/jg/"Observe first... hypothesize and draw conclusions second." In all the discussions I have with my daughter about religion, morality, opinion,...<p>"Observe first... hypothesize and draw conclusions second."</p>
<p>In all the discussions I have with my daughter about religion, morality, opinion, politics, etc. the only "absolute" I try to instill in her mind is that she should have an open mind and make her own decisions. Too many people believe whatever they were taught as children and their world view is colored by that "reality" for their entire lives.</p>
<p>Observe first. I like it.</p>Jameel @ The Muqata commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523cb188342006-06-19T15:18:51Z2008-02-14T04:44:33ZJameel @ The Muqatahttp://muqata.blogspot.comTrep: More recently, I love the slogan adopted by the Ministry of Tourism: "Tova HaAretz M'od M'od" -- "The Land...<p>Trep: More recently, I love the slogan adopted by the Ministry of Tourism:</p>
<p>"Tova HaAretz M'od M'od" -- "The Land is Very, Very Good"</p>lisoosh commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb20e88332006-06-19T13:56:59Z2008-02-14T04:44:35ZlisooshIsn't it a goal of Bhuddism to eliminate desire?<p>Isn't it a goal of Bhuddism to eliminate desire? </p>seawitch commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb08788332006-06-19T12:18:43Z2008-02-14T04:44:20Zseawitchhttp://www.seawitch.observationdeck.orgPreconcieved agendas seem to sum up very well what most of us tend to do. For some reason reporters covering...<p>Preconcieved agendas seem to sum up very well what most of us tend to do. For some reason reporters covering Israel seem to be especially afflicted.</p>
<p>Interesting that the Ministry of Tourism uses the spies. Wasn't it the spies that kept Israel from entering the Promised Land for 40 more years? </p>
<p>In fact, if I remember correctly, the last vestigages of a life of slavery had to disappear before the new generation could feel with all their heart the Promised Land.</p>pk commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb57688332006-06-19T08:41:06Z2008-02-14T04:45:11Zpkhttp://www.myspace.com/hasbaraBut the heart is a carrier of such faults... wouldn't it be more appropriate to refer to the mind instead?<p>But the <b>heart</b> is a carrier of such faults... wouldn't it be more appropriate to refer to the <b>mind</b> instead?</p>David Linn commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523cd588342006-06-19T03:45:07Z2008-02-14T04:44:34ZDavid Linnhttp://www.beyondbt.comYou know what they say about first impressions. I'm telling all my friends: If you read one blog about grammatical...<p>You know what they say about first impressions. </p>
<p>I'm telling all my friends: If you read one blog about grammatical soul searching this summer, you must read Treppenwitz. </p>treppenwitz commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb29388332006-06-18T18:54:46Z2008-02-14T04:44:39Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comDave... You're too modest. David Linn... This kind of thing is very out of character for me, so don't get...<p>Dave... You're too modest.</p>
<p>David Linn... This kind of thing is very out of character for me, so don't get used to it. :-)</p>
<p>Shifra... Don't let me hold you back. :-)</p>
<p>Irina... Uh, no. Think about all the things that infuriate you when you do your reading around the blogosphere. My bet is that most of those writers had access to the same information you did but chose to bend the facts to fit their preconceived ideas.</p>
<p>Tim... Yup, that and trying to get high speed Internet access. ;-) Seriously, I haven't seen you struggling too much with this issue.</p>
<p>Cruisin' Mom... Because events and facts should be able to stand on their own. If they need 'spin' to make them fit comfortably then there's a problem.</p>
<p>Seth... Of course. But being an honest observer is difficult to do if you are only looking for certain causes, effects and results. To use a political example, if you open the newspaper with the idea that religious settlers are violent, messianic nutjobs then you will see even one small picture of a bearded settler arguing with a magavnik as proof of your hypothesis. By the same token, if you think all the teens in Tel Aviv are popping E and having sex in night clubs every night then even one article about a teen overdose or sex crime will confirm your beliefs. In both cases the starting assumption is dead wrong and actually applies to such a small group as to be statistically insignificant. But because we allow ourselves the luxury of shedding scientific methodology when reading the news (and in our case, writing about it), our results are dead wrong most of the time.</p>Seth commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523c9588342006-06-18T18:53:57Z2008-02-14T04:44:32ZSethhttp://judenstadt.blogspot.comWell, wouldn't you say that in order to observe first, you have to direct yourself into the state of observing....<p>Well, wouldn't you say that in order to observe first, you have to direct yourself into the state of observing. If that's the case then you start with a mission, usually a mission as to what you want to observe. Even in science, you never observe first. You are observing something so that you can use it for what you want to prove.</p>
<p>There is never a scientist who just starts observing random things hoping that it brings him to a good hypothesis. It's clearly the other way around.</p>
<p>Either way, nice message.</p>cruisin-mom commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523c4e88342006-06-18T15:35:52Z2008-02-14T04:44:30Zcruisin-momhttp://cruisin-mom.blogspot.com"We all start with a very carefully crafted agenda/worldview in our hearts and only then do we approach events we...<p>"We all start with a very carefully crafted agenda/worldview in our hearts and only then do we approach events we see unfolding in the news."<br />
Trepp, why is this a bad thing? </p>Tim commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523af788342006-06-18T14:42:24Z2008-02-14T04:44:19ZTimhttp://cowboysunsets.blogspot.com"Observe first... hypothesize and draw conclusions second." Good point. It's a struggle for some passionate people . . . yeah,...<p>"Observe first... hypothesize and draw conclusions second."</p>
<p>Good point. It's a struggle for some passionate people . . . yeah, me. But I need to keep it in mind.</p>Irina commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb1e788332006-06-18T14:41:11Z2008-02-14T04:44:33ZIrinahttp://sicat222.blogspot.comHmm... but don't we need some kind of an agenda to know which line of observation to pursue?<p>Hmm... but don't we need some kind of an agenda to know which line of observation to pursue?</p>Shifra commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523d2f88342006-06-18T14:11:10Z2008-02-14T04:44:37ZShifrahttp://askshifra.blogspot.comOh and as for misunderstanding words - I think your "BEE-FROLL" post was the first one I ever read here!...<p>Oh and as for misunderstanding words - I think your "BEE-FROLL" post was the first one I ever read here!<br />
Still hillarious.</p>Shifra commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb6a388332006-06-18T14:09:28Z2008-02-14T04:45:27ZShifrahttp://askshifra.blogspot.comA very good thought. I was actually thinking of writing up a very judgemental post today myself but your post...<p>A very good thought. <br />
I was actually thinking of writing up a very judgemental post today myself but your post has me stopping to think about if that's fair.<br />
</p>David Linn commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb00c88332006-06-18T13:02:28Z2008-02-14T04:44:17ZDavid Linnhttp://www.beyondbt.comAhh, gramatical soul searching! Good stuff.<p>Ahh, gramatical soul searching! Good stuff. </p>Dave (Balashon) commented on 'In which karma catches up with treppenwitz'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523fb988342006-06-18T09:27:30Z2008-02-14T04:45:00ZDave (Balashon)http://balashon.blogspot.comThanks for the plug, but I should point out that my quotes of the Biblical text were from Mechon-Mamre: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0.htm...<p>Thanks for the plug, but I should point out that my quotes of the Biblical text were from Mechon-Mamre:</p>
<p>http://www.mechon-mamre.org/i/t/t0.htm</p>
<p>Also, to continue your thought a bit further, that was the sin of the spies as well. They also followed their heart before scouting with their eyes (this idea is more developed here: </p>
<p>http://www.shemayisrael.com/rabbiforsythe/shalombayis/heart.htm )</p>