Comments on A bad word gets a new day in the sunTypePad2006-02-26T10:16:53ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2006/02/a_bad_word_gets/comments/atom.xml/Ben-David commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052306688342006-02-28T12:17:26Z2008-02-14T04:42:29ZBen-DavidYou wrote: Ben-David... The US has talked a good game, but the State Department has knocked the legs out of...<p>You wrote:<br />
Ben-David... The US has talked a good game, but the State Department has knocked the legs out of every tough statement any US president has made about the Jews in this part of the world since WWII.<br />
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This may be true - but it doesn't answer my question/point.</p>
<p>By the schoolyard rules of geopolitics, nobody is going to stick up for Israel more than Israel.</p>
<p>When it mattered, Bush/Condi worked hard against the State Department (and they have shaken things up a bit there over the past 5 years).</p>
<p>Why should they stick their necks out if the Israelis are still cutting checks?</p>
<p>To reprise: Even though we are heavily indebted to a very powerful patron - like most of the world! - we have to assert our own sovereignty - like most of the world! - without wetting our pants worrying what America will think. We may even have to be a little more assertive than most, because our sovereignty is under attack.</p>
<p>The obvious bottom line is that Israel is now taking WEAKER stances than the Americans would be comfortable with - indicating that the problem is more our knocking knees than their policy...</p>treppenwitz commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052304788342006-02-27T19:43:32Z2008-02-14T04:42:27Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comJack... I honestly don't understand why Israel isn't leading the charge towards alternative energy. It just makes no sense. Steg......<p>Jack... I honestly don't understand why Israel isn't leading the charge towards alternative energy. It just makes no sense.</p>
<p>Steg... I'm not sure it doesn't. I always took it to mean 'one who gave to the Indians and then took it away'.</p>
<p>Scott... OK, so you were right. It may feel good, but guys like you (and I) need to figure out a way to be heard... because being right doesn't mean anything if nobody knows it.</p>
<p>Seattle... Yeah, I've been watching that whole port business from over here and scratching my head. Who thought it would be a good idea to let an Arab country have any managing role in a US port (much less several of them)?</p>
<p>Ben-David... The US has talked a good game, but the State Department has knocked the legs out of every tough statement any US president has made about the Jews in this part of the world since WWII.</p>Ben-David commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea66e88332006-02-27T12:24:03Z2008-02-14T04:42:34ZBen-DavidWhy should America be "holier than the Pope"? The US has consistently taken a harder line in reaction to Hamastan...<p>Why should America be "holier than the Pope"?</p>
<p>The US has consistently taken a harder line in reaction to Hamastan than Olmert and his caretaker government. </p>
<p>Days after the Pali election, Olmert OK'd release of tax payments to the Palis - funds that were only coming to them due to Oslo, which the Hamas leaders were proclaiming null and void.</p>
<p>(this was while he was shopping for Jewish blood in Hebron and Amona...)</p>
<p>The same thing happened with the expulsion from Gaza: the Americans were initially deeply opposed - with troops in the area, the last thing they wanted was Al-Jazeera broadcasting victorious Pali henchmen looting Israeli settlements.</p>
<p>The Americans have eyes in their heads. They're not going to take the heat if Israel itself is waffling.</p>Seattle commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052320e88342006-02-27T05:45:02Z2008-02-14T04:42:50ZSeattleOK, I give in to the moment. This is so messed up, the whole funding issue, I don't know where...<p>OK, I give in to the moment. This is so messed up, the whole funding issue, I don't know where to begin. My cynical thought was: how long before people decide to pay the PA to protect Israel's ports? [yes, I know that was bad, at a number of levels; sorry in advance. I better go and get my own blog so people can beat me up there instead of on Treppenwitz's site ... sigh]</p>Seattle commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5505230ba88342006-02-27T05:39:29Z2008-02-14T04:42:33ZSeattleScott - LOL ... I don't know if everyone here would appreciate it, but sometime I'd like to hear your...<p>Scott - LOL ... I don't know if everyone here would appreciate it, but sometime I'd like to hear your wisdom about the end of time. With regard to today's topic, it is deeply disconcerting that "funds will flow like the Nile." I'm tempted to go slightly off-topic and make some jokes (in my powerlessness ...) but I feel I need to respect the owner and the topic of the day :)</p>Scott commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea62d88332006-02-27T05:31:07Z2008-02-14T04:42:32ZScottI told you (and anybody that would listen) that this would happen. I'm on record on at least three blogs...<p>I told you (and anybody that would listen) that this would happen. I'm on record on at least three blogs with my statements.</p>
<p>Furthermore I predict this is only the first crack in the damn and that funds will flow like the Nile in flood.</p>
<p>Let me know if you would like to know about the end of time.</p>Steg (dos iz nit der šteg) commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea5ab88332006-02-27T03:09:57Z2008-02-14T04:42:26ZSteg (dos iz nit der šteg)http://boroparkpyro.blogspot.com/In my blissful ignorance i used to think that indian giver meant 'giver-to-indians', i.e. the white/European people who made treaties...<p>In my blissful ignorance i used to think that <i>indian giver</i> meant 'giver-to-indians', i.e. the white/European people who made treaties and then broke them.</p>Jack commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052303f88342006-02-27T02:15:20Z2008-02-14T04:42:27ZJackhttp://wwwjackbenimble.blogspot.comit just turns me into a raving lunatic. No, that is part of being of a Red Sox fan. It...<p><i>it just turns me into a raving lunatic.</i></p>
<p>No, that is part of being of a Red Sox fan. It is impossible to be a fan without being crazy, but not as crazy as someone from cleveland.</p>
<p>Until such time as oil is not a key factor in world politics we are going to see this kind of nonsense repeated.</p>
<p>The best thing that could happen to Israel would be for oil to become a non-factor.</p>
<p>For Twilight Zone fans I would compare this to the<a href="http://www.tzworld.com/RIPVANWINKLE_EP.html" rel="nofollow"> Rip Van Winkle Caper</a></p>treppenwitz commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea73388332006-02-26T20:11:15Z2008-02-14T04:42:46Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comDave... Thanks for the link. It basically says what I did... it isn't directly connected to the Welsh, but they...<p>Dave... Thanks for the link. It basically says what I did... it isn't directly connected to the Welsh, but they are the most vocal in trying to remove it from common usage.</p>
<p>Shevy... Scout's honor! [holds up 3 fingers]</p>
<p>Ezer Knegdo... Unfortunately, Israel is the ugly baby that all the politicians kiss before the elections, and the same baby they forget the day after they're elected.</p>
<p>Ezzie... Very nice of you to say, but let me reqphrase that. I am no good at political DISCOURSE with strangers. When I'm discussing politcs among friends... even friends with whom I strongly disagree... I like the exchange of ideas and almost always learn something. But when I see someone come swooping in with their mouth open and their hands firmly over their ears... it just turns me into a raving lunatic. I guess I need to learn some patience with the idiots since people have been so good about abiding my ravings for so long. :-)</p>
<p>Randi... I think it would have taken longer for the Democrats to turn their back on Israel, but in the end the US State Department is so deeply entrenched that the administration is always going to end up taking orders from state. Sad to say.</p>
<p>Westbankmama... See my reply to Ezzie. I think you and I come from such similar starting points that even when we part ways politically it is still possible to keep sight of the fork in the road. Most of the people who make me insane here (and for whom I must be like a red cape in front of a bull) are so far afield of any place I have ever been that we have no idea (or interest) in finding out where we parted ways.</p>
<p>Seattle... Of one fact, and only one fact, am I sure: There are seldom any such things as facts... only perceptions. I just feel my perceptions make more sense... but I often find out later that I was mistaken. :-)</p>
<p>Irina... The Palestinians (Hamas or any other brand) don't need a product to bring in money. They are selling a hard luck story and passing the hat. What I had hoped would happen was that world would finally say 'get a job'. I was mistaken.</p>Irina commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea6ab88332006-02-26T19:27:45Z2008-02-14T04:42:39ZIrinahttp://sicat222.blogspot.comThis is great; I really enjoy your political posts. You managed to show your own point of view without sounding...<p>This is great; I really enjoy your political posts. You managed to show your own point of view without sounding hysterical. Please continue writing on that!</p>
<p>As far as this aid goes... I'm not really surprised. I'm not sure what, if anything, can be done to freeze Hamas economically, since no one has any resolve for it. I'm not sure they even produce anything that we could divest from. Nothing will change until a new generation of politicians comes to power... but for some reason, people who have it in them, tend to avoid politics.</p>Seattle commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea5b688332006-02-26T18:20:07Z2008-02-14T04:42:26ZSeattleThis is "spot on." It's not even controversial; just fact.<p>This is "spot on." It's not even controversial; just fact.</p>westbankmama commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5505230a688342006-02-26T17:52:01Z2008-02-14T04:42:32Zwestbankmamahttp://www.westbankblog.blogspot.comTrep - why do you think you don't write good political posts? This one is excellent, and describes our frustration...<p>Trep - why do you think you don't write good political posts? This one is excellent, and describes our frustration very well.</p>Ezer Knegdo commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052301088342006-02-26T17:21:57Z2008-02-14T04:42:25ZEzer Knegdohttp://ezerknegdo.blogspot.comUnfortunately, I think we are in a huge political rut right now. Both sides are rife with dihonest and/or opportunistic...<p>Unfortunately, I think we are in a huge political rut right now. Both sides are rife with dihonest and/or opportunistic people. The right has gone so far right that Regan looks centrist, and the left is just floundering and unable to articulate what, if anything, they stand for. Both sides are so busy slamming each other and blocking each other, they have little time left for real politics and policy making. The American people are suffering for it. And so is our foreign policy, clearly.</p>Randi(cruisin-mom) commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea5d588332006-02-26T17:06:15Z2008-02-14T04:42:27ZRandi(cruisin-mom)http://cruisin-mom.blogspot.comI agree with most of Ezer Knegdo. Although personally, I would still like to believe that it would have been...<p>I agree with most of Ezer Knegdo. Although personally, I would still like to believe that it would have been different with Kerry (but probably not)</p>Ezzie commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052304188342006-02-26T15:34:46Z2008-02-14T04:42:27ZEzziehttp://serandez.blogspot.comNo damned good, my @$$ (excuse me). This was a heck of a lot better than my own post on...<p>No damned good, my @$$ (excuse me). This was a heck of a lot better than my own post on the subject. Very well put.</p>Ezer Knegdo commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea72788332006-02-26T15:25:33Z2008-02-14T04:42:46ZEzer Knegdohttp://ezerknegdo.blogspot.comShowing my true colors here, but not a huge surprise given the tenor of this administration. Giving the "Support Bush...<p>Showing my true colors here, but not a huge surprise given the tenor of this administration. Giving the "Support Bush or you are Anti-Israel" people a little something to think about. Sorry, but that is how I feel. I am not surprised at all. Saddened, angry, yes, but not surprised. No matter how hard a candidate campaigns with an "I support Israel" platform, it is like the game my kids play: Rock, Paper, Scissors. Oil trumps Jews. Cynical maybe, but I think it is true. Not that I think Kerry would have been any different, BTW. I think we are in a political rut right now.</p>
<p>Like the etymological links - very interesting!</p>Shevy commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5505230dc88342006-02-26T15:20:18Z2008-02-14T04:42:35ZShevyhttp://www.anecdoteteller.blogspot.comNow remember, you promised!<p>Now remember, you promised!</p>Dave commented on 'A bad word gets a new day in the sun'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503ea59288332006-02-26T10:44:44Z2008-02-14T04:42:25ZDavehttp://balashon.blogspot.comNothing to add about the politics, but here's an interesting link as to the etymology of Welch: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1520740<p>Nothing to add about the politics, but here's an interesting link as to the etymology of Welch:</p>
<p>http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1520740</p>