Comments on I thought you should know...TypePad2005-06-20T08:15:18ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2005/06/i_thought_you_s/comments/atom.xml/muse commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e835588332005-06-27T04:29:14Z2008-02-14T04:36:47ZmuseThis post is included in the latest Hevel Hevalim! http://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/2005/06/hevel-hevelim-26.html http://me-ander.blogspot.com/2005/06/hevel-hevalim-26.html<p>This post is included in the latest Hevel Hevalim!</p>
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http://me-ander.blogspot.com/2005/06/hevel-hevalim-26.html</p>David commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052105788342005-06-23T07:49:12Z2008-02-14T04:36:49ZDavidhttp://www.treppenwitz.comSteve... Unfortunately, violence does have a place in an imperfect world. You and I almost certainly disagree on the issue...<p>Steve... Unfortunately, violence does have a place in an imperfect world. You and I almost certainly disagree on the issue of 'turning the other cheek', but our prayers for peace are in perfect agreement.</p>
<p>Simi... It's important to be reminded sometimes.</p>
<p>Wildroze... Just don't let your mother read posts like this or she will never let you come! :-)</p>wildroze commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e845988332005-06-22T17:31:17Z2008-02-14T04:36:55Zwildrozehttp://www.livejournal.com/~wildroze22ive been rereading alex singers journal and notes, and its so hard to imagine what life in the idf is...<p>ive been rereading alex singers journal and notes, and its so hard to imagine what life in the idf is like. not much older than me he was...</p>
<p>thank you for your tributes, you can always put in words what is so hard to express</p>Simi commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e826388332005-06-22T15:31:54Z2008-02-14T04:36:39ZSimiWow ... such a heartbreaking post and devastating pictures. Sometimes we just want to stick our heads in the sand...<p>Wow ... such a heartbreaking post and devastating pictures. <br />
Sometimes we just want to stick our heads in the sand and ignore what is happening around us. Thank you for not allowing us to become oblivious and for reminding us that Avi was not a name or statistic, but a son, brother, and fiance with dreams of his own.</p>Steve Bogner commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e837688332005-06-22T11:06:19Z2008-02-14T04:36:48ZSteve Bognerhttp://bogners.typepad.com/churchI've come back to this a couple times, to read it and let it sink in. David, you did an...<p>I've come back to this a couple times, to read it and let it sink in. David, you did an excellent job at putting a real, human face on something that doesn't reported as such via the outlets I read.</p>
<p>We - all humanity - have committed violent acts against each other for thousands of years. Given all the misery it causes, we still have not found a peaceful way out. That's a sad reality (my opinion); part of human nature, maybe.</p>
<p>It must be hope that keeps us going. Hope that we will see peace, that our children will have peace, and so on. </p>Rahel commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520f6c88342005-06-21T19:48:20Z2008-02-14T04:36:42ZRahelhttp://elmsintheyard.blogspot.comDavid, don't sweat it. Your posts are just fine as they are.<p>David, don't sweat it. Your posts are just fine as they are.<br />
</p>David commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e828688332005-06-21T18:18:38Z2008-02-14T04:36:40ZDavidhttp://www.treppenwitz.comMirty... Having been to more than a few funerals lately where parents have buried children, I honestly don't know how...<p>Mirty... Having been to more than a few funerals lately where parents have buried children, I honestly don't know how the human heart can survive such pain. It is the most unbearable thing in the world to watch... so how much more horrible must it be to live through it?!</p>
<p>Richard... As I said earlier, I don't think it would be healthy to delve so deeply into every tragedy. But if ever you feel that you are losing the ability to care about each individual life... each human being that is killed, then you will know it is time to look more closely and feel the tears again.</p>
<p>Lioness... If I'm a public service then perhaps I should become unreliable and surly... such is the Israeli brand of public service. :-) Seriously, it means a great deal to me that you follow along so closely. I know I am long-winded. I know I often use a few paragraphs where a word or two would suffice. But I often don't know exactly what I'm trying to say until all the words are out there on the screen... like a big puzzle that has just been spilled out of the box. I will sometimes spend a few minutes arranging the words so that they will make some sense to someone else, but I don't have the time or patience to figure out which ones are really unnecessary.</p>Lioness commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e836d88332005-06-21T17:02:22Z2008-02-14T04:36:48ZLionesshttp://www.lioness-pride.blogspot.com"Is it a shame that an old man is forced to wait in the rain for hours? Yes. Is it...<p>"Is it a shame that an old man is forced to wait in the rain for hours? Yes. Is it a tragedy? no. There's an important difference."</p>
<p>For this I read you, for saying what I so often want to and cannot, especially now. When I lived in israel I'dn watch footage of the bombings on teh Israeli telly, and then watch CNN and BBC till I couldn't stand it anymore. The footage culling, what they choose to show the world, is quite deliberate and w a very specific agenda. I once saw the news abt the two Israeli boys (abt 10 years old i think) who were stoned to death in a settlemet. Portuguese newspapers? "Two settlers were killed yesterday". One doesn't have to lie in order to be deceitful. </p>
<p>And that reminds me I have been delaying updating my sidebar for too many weeks now bcs it's so bothersome but now my bum was kicked into action bcs you'll be just one click away, and you, David, have become pretty much a public service. One can only hope.</p>richard commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e836888332005-06-21T16:33:16Z2008-02-14T04:36:47Zrichardwe needed to see those pictures and read those comments. may g-d bless his father mother sisters and brother. may...<p>we needed to see those pictures and read those comments.<br />
may g-d bless his father mother sisters and brother.<br />
may the l-rd give strength to his people <br />
may the l-rd bless his people with peace. </p>Mirty commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e833088332005-06-21T11:18:23Z2008-02-14T04:36:46ZMirtyhttp://mirty12.blogspot.comHow terribly sad - I can't even imagine the horror his parents are going through now, the pain his sister...<p>How terribly sad - I can't even imagine the horror his parents are going through now, the pain his sister and brother will live with the rest of their lives. What a nightmare. </p>David commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e830688332005-06-21T10:21:30Z2008-02-14T04:36:44ZDavidhttp://www.treppenwitz.coma... Thank you. Yes, once in a while I get e-mail from a young man at NYU who identifies himself...<p>a... Thank you. Yes, once in a while I get e-mail from a young man at NYU who identifies himself as a Muslim originally from Lebanon. I have encouraged him to participate in the comments and voice his own opinions where others can see them (he is actually politically pretty much in line with most Labor party philosophy), but so far he has not taken me up on it.</p>
<p>Doctor Bean... Amen to all three. </p>
<p>OceanGuy... Thanks. I wish I didn't have to remind myself to care this way.</p>
<p>Lachlan... Thank you for the compliment. Coming from you, it is high praise indeed. However, I should point out that I can only express my thoughts about what goes on in Israel. I don't know where Palestine is... or if it will ever exist. That is almost entirely up to the Arabs. For now, I can only say with certainty that I won't allow Israel to be <em>replaced</em> by Palestine, and that seems to be the current desire of the people on the other side of this conflict.</p>
<p>Irena... I wish the world would laugh with Israel once in a while. Even our celebrations and achievements seem to fall on deaf ears. what can you do?</p>Irina commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520f9388342005-06-21T01:22:31Z2008-02-14T04:36:43ZIrinahttp://sicat222.blogspot.comWhat a heartbreaking post. My sincere condolescences to the bereaved... "When you laugh, the whole world laughs with you. When...<p>What a heartbreaking post. My sincere condolescences to the bereaved...</p>
<p>"When you laugh, the whole world laughs with you.<br />
When you weep, you weep alone."</p>Lachlan commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520fcf88342005-06-21T01:09:49Z2008-02-14T04:36:45ZLachlanhttp://www.mysocalledblog.comPoignant beyond words, David. You are masterful in how you put a human face on what is actually happening in...<p>Poignant beyond words, David. You are masterful in how you put a human face on what is actually happening in Israel/Palestine. </p>
<p>May Avi rest in peace, in agony no more, and may his family find the comfort they seek.</p>oceanguy commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520fc888342005-06-20T20:56:45Z2008-02-14T04:36:45Zoceanguyhttp://oceanguy.comSo beautifully said...<p>So beautifully said... </p>Doctor Bean commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e824388332005-06-20T20:45:34Z2008-02-14T04:36:38ZDoctor Beanhttp://kerckhoff.blogspot.comI used to simply wish for peace. As I became more conservative, I began to wish for victory, realizing that...<p>I used to simply wish for peace.</p>
<p>As I became more conservative, I began to wish for victory, realizing that a durable peace is created not by a treaty but by the enemy's loss of the will to fight.</p>
<p>As I became more religious and studied Jewish history, I realized that homicidal Jew-hatred is as old as Judaism, and I began not to know what victory would look like: Ruling over Arabs forever? Another Arab state arming against Israel? Forced transfer of populations?</p>
<p>I now don't even know what to wish for. For now, I wish for Israel's safety, the Bogners' happiness, and the Almighty's comfort for the bereaved.</p>a commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5505210d588342005-06-20T20:26:34Z2008-02-14T04:36:54Za"These people don't have dreams of their own... they live only to destroy the dreams of others, and to celebrate...<p>"These people don't have dreams of their own... they live only to destroy the dreams of others, and to celebrate each time they succeed."</p>
<p>That's it exactly. I have never seen it put any better. Spot on.</p>
<p>Thank you, once again, for bringing an important story to our attention in your own beautiful, eloquent way. I admit I heard about this poor soldier's murder but did not give the story the attention it deserved. Thank you for being "in our face" and MAKING us pay attention. As I type this through my tears, I can only pray that our enemy reads your blog. I doubt it, but if it makes just one Jew-hater stop and think...</p>
<p>DO you get any readers from the Arab world? I'd be interested in knowing.</p>David commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e839388332005-06-20T18:45:21Z2008-02-14T04:36:49ZDavidhttp://www.treppenwitz.comTonny... The problem is that most of us don't even get into a bad mood anymore. Today's post happened because...<p>Tonny... The problem is that most of us don't even get into a bad mood anymore. Today's post happened because I decided to take 30 seconds and find out about the soldier who was killed. I don't know if my heart can stand the ache of doing this every time... but I would strongly encourage such a search to anyone who feels they are becoming numb to the losses.</p>
<p>Jack... Thank you.</p>
<p>Lisa... Not for lack of trying.</p>
<p>AbbaGav... Now if only I weren't preaching to the choir.</p>
<p>Essie... There is always a human element to tragedy. They only way one can avoid that is to watch the BBC or CNN.</p>
<p>Lioness... I really don't know how parents can bury a child and continue living. I don't know how it is possible to recover from that.</p>
<p>Q... That was exactly my point. None of the thousands who have been killed by terrorists have been nameless or faceless. I didn't know this boy but it took me less than a minute to find out enough to understand the enormity of his loss. I hope I have helped a few other people do the same.</p>
<p>AmyS... Like I said before, I think it would kill me to pick this kind of scab each time there is a tragedy. but when I feel myself going 'oh well, another one', I know it's time to force the wound open again.</p>
<p>Pesha...Amen.</p>
<p>Stacey... I knew that. :-)</p>
<p>Jewish Blogmiester... I wouldn't wait for Him to step in (although it never hurts to hope).</p>
<p>mademoiselle a. ... I am surprised at you for taking anything from a 'documentary' about the IDF. Unless it was made by the IDF itself it is going to contain carefully chosen scenes like the ones you described. The IDF is made up of kids. Good kids, smart kids, not so good kids and all the rest. So called documentaries are by definition carefully chosen clips that tell the story the way the producer and director want it to be told. The question such a documentary doesn't want the viewer to ask is "what made the long wait at checkpoints necessary?" They don't show the hundreds upon hundreds of old men, young boys, "pregnant" women and any other sympathetic group that have been apprehended trying to smuggle explosives through checkpoints so they can be used to snuff out more Jewish lives. Is it a shame that an old man is forced to wait in the rain for hours? Yes. Is it a tragedy? no. There's an important difference.</p>mademoiselle a. commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520fa288342005-06-20T17:43:21Z2008-02-14T04:36:44Zmademoiselle a.But you and I both know that Israel can never engage in genocide (even if there were some theoretical way...<p><i>But you and I both know that Israel can never engage in genocide (even if there were some theoretical way of identifying the 'good Palestinians' from the 'bad Palestinians') after what we went through in Europe.</i></p>
<p>David, do you really mean it the way you put it there? I hope not. We should know best, after all, that genocide is devil's work, or call it Hamman, if you want. With blood on its hands, Israel will be as untrustworthy as the terrorists themselves.</p>
<p>I am sitting here, a good five flight hours from you. And each time I read the sad news, I feel the deep disappointment. No, they haven't learned. They did it again. They can't stop listening to the lies they're being told, they don't reflect but allow their youngest to let hate creep into their little hearts. Sh*it, sh*it, sh*it.</p>
<p>I am sitting here, a good five flight hours from you. And each time I watch a docu about Israeli military on tv, I feel respect for those who serve with their mind switched on. Who those being responsible and human. I feel deep, deep disappointment, however, for those among the border soldiers who have the guts to stand in front of the cameras and proudly proclaim: "I don't care what my boss says, let them hear it. Here, there, over there, these are the monkeys, the dogs, the beasts. We here, we are the good. We are humans. Israel! I tell you, we Jews are the best. Are you filming me? Jews are the best!!" and then go on and let an old man stand in the rain for hours.</p>
<p>I'm not making this up, I saw it the other night on a serious tv docu channel here. It broke my heart.</p>
<p>It's things like these that won't connect in my brains. There is no black and white. No them and us. No we, the good, them, the bad. And I am very afraid that this small, small country will eat itself up one day with all peoples it is hosting.</p>Jewish Blogmiester commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520eaf88342005-06-20T17:26:04Z2008-02-14T04:36:35ZJewish Blogmiesterhttp://www.jewishmuzic.blogspot.comWhat a mind blowing post. It really puts things in perfect perspective. I can only pray to G-d every day...<p>What a mind blowing post. It really puts things in perfect perspective. I can only pray to G-d every day that He put a stop to all this madness.</p>Stacey commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e848688332005-06-20T16:30:17Z2008-02-14T04:36:56ZStaceyhttp://pesharachel.blogspot.comThe above was me (Stacey). Pesha is my Jewish name.<p>The above was me (Stacey). Pesha is my Jewish name.</p>Pesha commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052103888342005-06-20T16:28:22Z2008-02-14T04:36:49ZPeshahttp://pesharachel.blogspot.comHow terribly sad. The way you framed the story of Avi's life and duty was beautiful. Thank you for reminding...<p>How terribly sad. The way you framed the story of Avi's life and duty was beautiful.</p>
<p>Thank you for reminding us that each loss endured is not that of a nameless face. Each victim lived a life -- with hopes, dreams, and aspirations that will never be fulfilled and loved ones that will have a hole in their heart.</p>
<p>May Avi's memory be a blessing.</p>AmyS commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e825c88332005-06-20T16:03:59Z2008-02-14T04:36:39ZAmyShttp://www.postcardsfromisrael.comThank you for this. Every time this happens, I want to write about it but can't find the words. You...<p>Thank you for this. Every time this happens, I want to write about it but can't find the words. You found the words and used them beautifully. Again - thank you.</p>Q commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e84d888332005-06-20T16:00:43Z2008-02-14T04:36:58ZQhttp://www.simply-put.blogspot.comYou write, He woke up yesterday and put on the uniform of a sovereign nation and patrolled that nation's borders...<p>You write, <i>He woke up yesterday and put on the uniform of a sovereign nation and patrolled that nation's borders (and patiently bore the scorn of the entire world for doing so).</i> For what it's worth, I'm a Canadian, and I'm not a Jew, and I have nothing but respect for Avi and his fellow reservists.</p>
<p>Your account brings the tragedy home by focussing on a specific individual instead of a nameless, faceless, casualty count.</p>
<p>I particularly appreciate the point that the terrorists ("these people") <i>don't have dreams of their own... they live only to destroy the dreams of others, and to celebrate each time they succeed.</i> That's why I respect Avi and his fellow reservists. They have a dream, and they're doing what's necessary (however dangerous) to make that dream a reality.</p>
<p>May the Lord cause the dream to prosper.<br />
Q</p>Lioness commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520f4e88342005-06-20T15:37:11Z2008-02-14T04:36:41ZLionesshttp://www.lioness-pride.blogspot.comBeautifully written, David. So very heartbreaking.<p>Beautifully written, David. So very heartbreaking.</p>Essie commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e81db88332005-06-20T15:33:50Z2008-02-14T04:36:35ZEssieYou have done a beautiful job on this post. You always manage to convey things so eloquently. Thank you for...<p>You have done a beautiful job on this post. You always manage to convey things so eloquently. Thank you for giving us the human element of the atrocities that go on in our homeland. May H-shem comfort the Karouchi family.</p>AbbaGav commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052112688342005-06-20T14:03:28Z2008-02-14T04:36:57ZAbbaGavhttp://abbagav.blogspot.comYour words leave me speechless. You found each and every word that needed to be said, and in the perfect...<p>Your words leave me speechless. You found each and every word that needed to be said, and in the perfect order.</p>lisa commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520ec388342005-06-20T13:58:23Z2008-02-14T04:36:36Zlisahttp://weese.blogspot.comPeace.<p>Peace.<br />
</p>Jack commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520fb288342005-06-20T13:26:46Z2008-02-14T04:36:44ZJackhttp://wwwjackbenimble.blogspot.com/You did a fine job of painting a picture about something in which words are inadequate. There is no good...<p>You did a fine job of painting a picture about something in which words are inadequate. There is no good way to express the myriad thoughts and feelings about something like this. I only hope that his family can find some solace and some peace, but I don't know what to offer them to provide it other than some of the same tired platitudes we always say.</p>Tonny commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520eff88342005-06-20T12:48:37Z2008-02-14T04:36:38ZTonnyhttp://karbannesanel.blogspot.comBaruch Dayan HaEmes. i read about him on arutz-7 yesterday or the day before that. whenever i read that a...<p>Baruch Dayan HaEmes. </p>
<p>i read about him on arutz-7 yesterday or the day before that. whenever i read that a jew was killed, even one, im just like, eh crap, not again, and get in a bad mood few a little bit. that was necassarily beautiful Mr B.</p>David commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e82eb88332005-06-20T12:47:10Z2008-02-14T04:36:43ZDavidhttp://www.treppenwitz.comScott#1... I have yet to meet anyone who does understand it. I would settle for even a small portion of...<p>Scott#1... I have yet to meet anyone who <em>does</em> understand it. I would settle for even a small portion of the world trying to understand the magnitude of the tragedy in each loss of precious life. When a society that treasures life above all else is under attack from a society that celebrates and fetishises death, the normal rules of engagement have to be set aside.</p>
<p>Mary... That doesn't really matter if the cowards end up winning.</p>
<p>Kakarizz... I have to admit that after all the years that the Palestinians have been accusing us of ethnic cleansing and genocide (and the world has been buyinig the story without a shred of proof), it is sorely tempting at a time like this to say 'oh what the f*ck... if the world is going to condemn us for it we may as well be guilty of it and be done with it already!'. But you and I both know that Israel can never engage in genocide (even if there were some theoretical way of identifying the 'good Palestinians' from the 'bad Palestinians') after what we went through in Europe.</p>kakarizz commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520f4b88342005-06-20T12:02:30Z2008-02-14T04:36:41Zkakarizzhttp://kakarizz.blogspot.comMy sincere condolences to the bereaved. David, what will stop all this bloodshed? Can’t WE have complete annihilation of this...<p>My sincere condolences to the bereaved.</p>
<p>David, what will stop all this bloodshed? Can’t WE have complete annihilation of this Palestinian militants even at the cost of international relations?</p>mary commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503e825588332005-06-20T12:01:11Z2008-02-14T04:36:39Zmaryhttp://daycaredaze.blogspot.comTerrorism is cowardice.<p>Terrorism is cowardice.</p>Scott#1 commented on 'I thought you should know...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550520fbb88342005-06-20T11:29:21Z2008-02-14T04:36:44ZScott#1Poignant. I’ll never ever understand the cruel and primitive mentality behind these acts.<p>Poignant. I’ll never ever understand the cruel and primitive mentality behind these acts. </p>