Comments on The best idea I've heard so far... TypePad2014-08-10T06:42:42ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2014/08/the-best-idea-ive-heard-so-far-/comments/atom.xml/Wry Mouth commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01b7c6eb6d63970b2014-10-02T00:02:40Z2014-11-03T09:21:42ZWry Mouthhttps://twitter.com/WrymouthI have one modification for this proposal: that the automated system, which we may call the "Stone Dome," be programmed...<p>I have one modification for this proposal: that the automated system, which we may call the "Stone Dome," be programmed to fire Katyushas and other fire-cracker class rockets haphazardly, as if from pickup trucks and makeshift palettes, often failing to detonate owing to a lack of maintenance/skill on the part of the assailants.</p>
<p>This would be probably one of the most difficult technological feats ever pulled off by the IDF -- like an actor pretending to be a bad actor.</p>
<p>;./</p>
<p> </p>Russ commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a511f50087970c2014-08-12T12:32:54Z2014-09-01T07:45:06ZRussFrom a game-theory point of view, the idea has merit. But that makes a couple of assumptions, which don't appear...<p>From a game-theory point of view, the idea has merit. But that makes a couple of assumptions, which don't appear to be true:<br />
1) Hamas is interested in winning a military battle with Israel and cares about minimizing casualties among its own civilians,<br />
2) The world would regard any damage as entirely caused by Hamas.</p>
<p>In reality, the world would not consider such as system to be the equivalent of a force of nature, which is the goal. Israel would still be blamed for any damage caused, since it would be Israel that designs and maintains such a system. And Hamas would then be able to control how much damage is done to Gaza civilians - which they want to *maximize*.</p>
<p>And system which hopes to deter Hamas aggression has to exact a penalty that they are not willing to pay. This is not such a system. For Hamas, this is a war to persuade a group of anti-Semites that Jews are behaving badly. This would just make it easier for them.</p>
<p>Now if there were an effective way automatically to move the Gaza fences in for each rocket fired...</p>Dina commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a73dffdb19970d2014-08-11T18:31:56Z2014-08-12T07:15:57ZDinaI had the same thought just a few days ago when a cousin of mine complained about Israel's unfair counter-attacks....<p>I had the same thought just a few days ago when a cousin of mine complained about Israel's unfair counter-attacks. He posted, among other things: "The US funded military power of Israel is no match for HAMAS, the elected government of occupied West Bank and Gaza." </p>
<p>My reply: "In other words, give the spoiled brat what he wants. Let him continue his daily barrage of rockets. After all, he's just a baby. And you, Israel, are a big boy!" </p>
<p> </p>dmpawley commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a511f43e6b970c2014-08-11T10:05:04Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZdmpawleyFrom an economic standpoint, it makes complete sense. It could also work on the opposite side of the spectrum. You...<p>From an economic standpoint, it makes complete sense. It could also work on the opposite side of the spectrum. You do something nice and peaceful for me and a random peaceful act of kindness happens on your side.</p>ED commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a3fd444cbb970b2014-08-10T19:34:14Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZEDHamas missiles are cheap and inaccurate.Israel should produce the same type of weapons. From the maps I`ve seen they have...<p>Hamas missiles are cheap and inaccurate.Israel should produce the same type of weapons. From the maps I`ve seen they have been stored and fired from certain general areas in the Strip, <br />
usually in densely populated areas.The auto retaliation should target those general areas.As for the proportion,Hamas with UN help will magnify the number of missiles,so Israel might as well fire as many as they think are needed.</p>treppenwitz commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a511f3d81b970c2014-08-10T16:38:26Z2014-08-11T10:52:19Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comThe problems with the suggestion several of you have made about having the return missile target the source are: a)...<p>The problems with the suggestion several of you have made about having the return missile target the source are: a) that kind of accuracy would make the system expensive because it would require a precision missile and tracking system.; and b) because the point is to have the system respond randomly to a random threat. Having lived through countless missile attacks here (several of which found me out in the open with nowhere to take shelter), I can tell you that one of the frightening aspects of the weapons is that they can't be aimed and are only supposed to go in an approximate range and direction. The world keeps telling us that we have the right to defend ourselves, but our response can;t be disproportionate. This is the very definition of proportionate! And we don't even have to do anything. The proportionate response is triggered by the attack. </p>Debbie commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a511f3d510970c2014-08-10T16:23:13Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZDebbiehttp://compugraphdesigns.wordpress.com/Personally, I think the best idea would be something like the old stupid kiddy doggerel "I'm rubber you're glue" ---...<p>Personally, I think the best idea would be something like the old stupid kiddy doggerel "I'm rubber you're glue" --- sort of the missile would be projected back to its place of origin. That way, it would destroy the missile launcher and there would be no human intervention -- the missile itself would trigger the system. </p>derp commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a73dff0e7a970d2014-08-10T14:04:08Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZderpMaybe. But you'll probably still get dinged for beating up the little kid. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/08/06/adapting-the-law-of-armed-conflict-to-autonomous-weapon-systems/<p>Maybe. But you'll probably still get dinged for beating up the little kid.</p>
<p>http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/08/06/adapting-the-law-of-armed-conflict-to-autonomous-weapon-systems/</p>Rob commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a73dff06fb970d2014-08-10T12:33:07Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZRoband the US Congress would randomly approve additional funding for missiles to reload and fire at Gaza. It is like...<p>and the US Congress would randomly approve additional funding for missiles to reload and fire at Gaza. It is like a scene from Wedlock (1991) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsdI3UBRJrM. One prison escapee automatically causes his own death and another random prisoner. Works great in a movie or in a theoretical Nobel hypothesis.</p>AZ commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a511f3b7bf970c2014-08-10T12:25:49Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZAZIt should just return fire from where it was initiated. No issues with that approach.<p>It should just return fire from where it was initiated. No issues with that approach.</p>david commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a3fd4413e6970b2014-08-10T12:07:28Z2014-08-11T10:52:19Zdavidthe world doesn't care it will still blame us and it won't eliminate the underlying leadership of Hamas and they...<p>the world doesn't care it will still blame us and it won't eliminate the underlying leadership of Hamas and they don't are about the civilian losses. </p>SaraK commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a73dff04b3970d2014-08-10T11:59:19Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZSaraKI love it. We can all set up beach chairs and watch the tennis match :)<p>I love it. We can all set up beach chairs and watch the tennis match :)</p>Alan B commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a511f3b0b5970c2014-08-10T10:46:18Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZAlan Bhttp://www.itsallabouttheparking.wordpress.comFunny...I had the same idea yesterday afternoon. And I'm no Nobel Laureate!<p>Funny...I had the same idea yesterday afternoon. And I'm no Nobel Laureate!</p>Richie Sevrinsky commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a511f3ae1c970c2014-08-10T09:55:14Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZRichie Sevrinskyhttp://richie.sevrinsky.com/This is a totally loopy idea, and the analogy to a minefield only makes it worse (given that mines are...<p>This is a totally loopy idea, and the analogy to a minefield only makes it worse (given that mines are considered reprehensible in most civilized countries).</p>
<p>This idea considers an automatic system as somehow psychologically disconnected from its developers and implementors, as though it were a force of nature.</p>
<p>I strongly doubt that the rest of the world would see it that way, let alone the Israeli developers of such a system, which puts you back at Option 1.</p>ED commented on 'The best idea I've heard so far... 'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01a3fd440152970b2014-08-10T07:27:24Z2014-08-11T10:52:19ZEDI`ve often wondered not about an automated system,but human control of missiles much like those of Hamas and others. I...<p>I`ve often wondered not about an automated system,but human control of missiles much like those of Hamas and others. I can see the logic of Prof Aumann`s plan,but would add that a higher ratio,say (5 to 1)would be better able to drive home the message.I also think they should be aimed at sites where missiles have been stored and fired from,with targets updated by computer.</p>