Comments on You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….TypePad2009-09-20T18:04:23ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2009/09/you-can-not-make-this-stuff-up/comments/atom.xml/rena commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dfbd5c970c2009-09-21T21:02:20Z2009-09-21T21:02:20ZrenaGlad to be of service ;)<p>Glad to be of service ;)</p>At The Back of the Hill commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5894418970b2009-09-21T20:31:30Z2009-09-21T20:31:30ZAt The Back of the Hillhttp://atthebackofthehill.blogspot.com/Good freakin' grief! I'm rolling my eyes right now. Good one. Thank you for sharing. My word. Uyyyy!<p>Good freakin' grief!<br />
I'm rolling my eyes right now.<br />
Good one.<br />
Thank you for sharing.<br />
My word.<br />
Uyyyy!</p>Alissa commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5de8aff970c2009-09-21T16:26:28Z2009-09-21T16:26:28ZAlissahttp://altmanaliyah.blogspot.combahahahahaha :) You don't need to understand the technical aspect, the inner workings come through the story just fine. I...<p>bahahahahaha :) You don't need to understand the technical aspect, the inner workings come through the story just fine. I have experienced this same conversation (with other variables) many times, sadly.</p>
<p>Just work at AT&T for a few years... :sigh: Glad you maintained your sense of humour about it, and more importantly, shared the laugh with us!</p>zahava commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a58815d9970b2009-09-21T16:17:52Z2009-09-21T16:17:52Zzahavarena: GREAT tip, thanks! (fwiw, it really is like a densitometer!). used the tool (was saved properly)! am delighted to...<p>rena: GREAT tip, thanks! (fwiw, it really is like a densitometer!). used the tool (was saved properly)! am delighted to learn about this!!! admittedly, i could use a refresher course to learn how to make better use of all the updates! you really made my day! :-D</p>rena commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5874de3970b2009-09-21T13:49:57Z2009-09-21T13:49:57ZrenaYou can indeed view the seperations of a file using Acrobat (pro version only). Click on "advanced/print production/output preivew." Tada!...<p>You can indeed view the seperations of a file using Acrobat (pro version only). Click on "advanced/print production/output preivew." Tada! I use this all the time to make sure that the seperations are output properly. You can catch those CMYK/extra pantone colors, etc. before sending the files to print. </p>zahava commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dd615e970c2009-09-21T12:36:22Z2009-09-21T12:36:22Zzahava@mekubal: it isn't a matter of importing the vector art, as much as it is a matter of retaining the...<p>@mekubal: it isn't a matter of importing the vector art, as much as it is a matter of <b>retaining the characteristics of the vector art.</b> also, unless you initiate file production from within PS in a grayscale color space, the imported file (even if it is grayscale) opens with an enriched black..... which means that a grayscale PDF from InDesign opens with a black which has C, M, and Y values.</p>mekubal commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a586ee11970b2009-09-21T12:16:08Z2009-09-21T12:16:08Zmekubalhttp://hamekubal.blogspot.com/@Zahava I checked the release history of Photoshop, it has been able to properly import a vector based text file...<p>@Zahava</p>
<p>I checked the release history of Photoshop, it has been able to properly import a vector based text file since version 5, and fully supported all vector based files in version 6. So unless they are using a version that is more than 6 generations out of date, which would not surprise me, they simply never took the time to learn how their overpriced software works(or understood the help tab). </p>zahava commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dce51b970c2009-09-21T08:30:52Z2009-09-21T08:30:52Zzahavawogo: not pagemaker! but thanks for the giggle! :-D<p>wogo: not pagemaker! but thanks for the giggle! :-D</p>zahava commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5867355970b2009-09-21T07:52:31Z2009-09-21T07:52:31Zzahavawogo: truly impressive, your accuracy! fwiw, a printer friend of mine back in the States once told me a truly...<p>wogo: truly impressive, your accuracy! </p>
<p>fwiw, a printer friend of mine back in the States once told me a truly hilarious story about a "designer" who brought her a folding dummy to procure a print estimate. my friend, assuming that if the woman could put together a decent comp, that she must be mechanical savvy, and gave her a standard price. the next day the client came into the shop with the mechanical. it was a simple slim-jim trifold, and yet the mechanical required 12 zip disks! seems the genius had put each line of copy in it's own text box! my friend wryly asked where she'd gone to school. when the response was a cheery, "i'm self-taught!" all my friend could do was choke out, "you don't say!" i'm guessing the note of sarcasm was lost on the client....</p>wogo commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a58671d3970b2009-09-21T07:49:00Z2009-09-21T07:49:00Zwogop.p.s. Please tell me they're not using PageMaker!?<p>p.p.s. Please tell me they're not using PageMaker!?</p>wogo commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5866fa8970b2009-09-21T07:42:41Z2009-09-21T07:42:41ZwogoOh... Yeah... I guess you could just open it in Illustrator... Hm... Funny I didn't think of that... I guess...<p>Oh... Yeah... I guess you could just open it in Illustrator... Hm... Funny I didn't think of that... I guess I've been focused on the production end of things for so long I forgot that many production problems could be easily fixed at the source. </p>
<p>I generally have these conversations from the other end -- talking to "designers" (and I use the term loosely) who sent in insertions consisting entirely of black text which they created in Photoshop and saved as a 72 dpi jpeg (RGB of course)... and then they want to make copy edits...</p>
<p>Not to mention all those people who are still using some prehistoric version of CorelDraw and keep sending in native files... [grumble grumble]</p>
<p>p.s. Was I right? QuarkXPress 4?</p>Dina commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5865c8f970b2009-09-21T07:06:01Z2009-09-21T07:06:01ZDinaI didn't understand, but I still found it fascinating. (Read it twice.) I am 60 years old and wish I...<p>I didn't understand, but I still found it fascinating. (Read it twice.) I am 60 years old and wish I had gone to college and learned all there is to learn about designing. You are a very talented lady who is married to a very talented man. </p>zahava commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dcbaa8970c2009-09-21T06:58:47Z2009-09-21T06:58:47Zzahavabaila: TG, i had mostly calmed down by Shabbat/Yom Tov.... but sadly, this conversation pretty much describes most of thursday.......<p>baila: TG, i had mostly calmed down by Shabbat/Yom Tov.... but sadly, this conversation pretty much describes most of thursday....</p>
<p>peter: don't laugh.... it has happened that someone has requested a word file.... [sigh]</p>
<p>noa: i laughed out loud reading your comment! and fwiw, i wouldn't be surprised if she does....</p>
<p>rivka: glad you enjoyed the replay. do <b>NOT</b> apologize for being entertained! knowing there was a good story in there is the <b>only</b> thing that got me through! :-)</p>
<p>mekubal: sadly, owning and understanding the software are not necessarily the same thing. also, given the page layout software the publication was using, it is a bit of a long-shot to think they might have anything resembling a recent copy of photoshop! i would wager a bet that given the number of insertions that they place, that they could afford to replace their page-layout application with one afternoon worth of their employees time spent converting pdf's into eps's! the fact that they are still "back-dooring" the process leads one to believe that efficiency is hardly their primary concern.</p>
<p>ruti: happy to amuse!</p>
<p>weese: thought you might be able to appreciate my sarcasm! :-)</p>
<p>tanya: hahahhhahhha! or perhaps, PEBE (problem exists between ears)?! :-)</p>
<p>wry mouth: thanks, but i am not <b>that</b> creative!</p>
<p>wogo: thanks for the sympathy and good advise. due to time constraints, i simply opened the pdf in illustrator®, tweaked the headline kerning, and saved as a vector-based eps file. had i known they <b>really</b> wanted an eps, i would have simply done the ad in illustrator to begin with. i concede that my clients might not notice the typographic degradation of a tiff -- <i>but i <b>would!</i></b></p>
<p>jack: or at least measure the cmyk values of it! :-)</p>Jack commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dcb12b970c2009-09-21T06:24:23Z2009-09-21T06:24:23ZJackhttp://wwwjackbenimble.blogspot.com/Give me a densitometer and I shall move the world.<p>Give me a densitometer and I shall move the world.</p>wogo commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dcac7f970c2009-09-21T06:04:40Z2009-09-21T06:04:40Zwogo@ mekubal: If they're using a layout program that doesn't support PDF (probably QuarkXPress 4) then it is unlikely that...<p>@ mekubal: If they're using a layout program that doesn't support PDF (probably QuarkXPress 4) then it is unlikely that they are using a current version of Photoshop either... Wait, I take that back... I know of at least one place that has the complete CS2 suite (including InDesign), but still uses Quark 4 for some things... sigh...</p>
<p>@ Zahava: If they have Acrobat Professional (or whatever the full version is called nowadays) they can open the PDF in Acrobat and save as an EPS file. The problem with that is, it sometimes messes up the color saturation (possibly due to RGB-CMYK conversion issues). For color files, the best way to preserve the integrity of the color is to open the PDF in Photoshop and save as a Tiff -- even though it degrades the clarity of the text. Especially if you're printing full color on newsprint the difference in sharpness is not that noticeable.</p>
<p>Yes, I know *you* can tell the difference in sharpness, but your client probably won't. They *will* notice if the color is de-saturated too much.</p>
<p>Anyway, for the current problem, running the PDF through Acrobat to get an EPS is probably the best solution under the circumstances.</p>
<p>Shana Tova -- from one frustrated designer to another <br />
;-)</p>Wry Mouth commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a585bda2970b2009-09-21T01:18:16Z2009-09-21T01:18:16ZWry Mouthhttp://wrymouth.comHah. You totally made that up. ;o/<p>Hah. You totally made that up. ;o/</p>Tanya commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dc140e970c2009-09-21T00:09:30Z2009-09-21T00:09:30ZTanyahttp://www.dizzyingintellect.comI think she might be moonlighting as one of my users. Resolution: PEBKAC. (Problem exists between keyboard and chair.)<p>I think she might be moonlighting as one of my users. Resolution: PEBKAC. (Problem exists between keyboard and chair.)</p>weese commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a585866a970b2009-09-20T23:20:27Z2009-09-20T23:20:27Zweesehttp://weese.blogspot.comha! ...is there a densitometer in Acrobat...ha!! perhaps she is looking at her monitor through a loop...ooo the colors oooo.<p>ha! ...is there a densitometer in Acrobat...ha!!<br />
perhaps she is looking at her monitor through a loop...ooo the colors oooo.<br />
</p>mekubal commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dbd468970c2009-09-20T21:54:29Z2009-09-20T21:54:29Zmekubalhttp://hamekubal.blogspot.com/As a PS, Photoshop at least in the CS releases(PS 8-current) has a function to import PDF files without the...<p>As a PS, Photoshop at least in the CS releases(PS 8-current) has a function to import PDF files without the weird problems mentioned above. I know that Adobe software is overly complex, and some of the most user un-friendly stuff in the world. But really if the PA is going to be using it for something professional, you would think that they would take the time to learn the functions.</p>rutimizrachi commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dbd3ee970c2009-09-20T21:53:27Z2009-09-20T21:53:27Zrutimizrachihttp://rutimizrachi.blogspot.com/Two things come to mind: 1) Baila is right. Your very justifiable frustration comes through crystal clear. 2) I love...<p>Two things come to mind: 1) Baila is right. Your very justifiable frustration comes through crystal clear. 2) I love to hear people speaking in the language of their field. It doesn't matter to me whether or not I understand; I respect the education and experience that made such a rewiring of English stick in their brains. Years ago, I dated an astrophysicist. I couldn't understand a damn thing he was saying -- but it fascinated me that he could. </p>mekubal commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5854767970b2009-09-20T21:05:31Z2009-09-20T21:05:31Zmekubalhttp://hamekubal.blogspot.com/Hah... that's funny. Reminds of something a friend of mine says about the local level of service(or lack thereof). "Hi...<p>Hah... that's funny. </p>
<p>Reminds of something a friend of mine says about the local level of service(or lack thereof). "Hi welcome to... how can I *not* help you today."</p>Rivka with a capital commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5dba548970c2009-09-20T20:00:57Z2009-09-20T20:00:57ZRivka with a capitalhttp://coffeeandchemo.blogspot.comI was about to go to bed, and decided I should stop by first -- glad I did. It is...<p>I was about to go to bed, and decided I should stop by first -- glad I did.</p>
<p>It is even funnier when you tell it in person! (sorry to get my entertainment from your frustration!)</p>
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</p>Rivka with a capital commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5852ca9970b2009-09-20T20:00:55Z2009-09-20T20:00:55ZRivka with a capitalhttp://coffeeandchemo.blogspot.comI was about to go to bed, and decided I should stop by first -- glad I did. It is...<p>I was about to go to bed, and decided I should stop by first -- glad I did.</p>
<p>It is even funnier when you tell it in person! (sorry to get my entertainment from your frustration!)</p>
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</p>Noa commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5851b1b970b2009-09-20T19:19:54Z2009-09-20T19:19:54ZNoaU-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E! Except that I do believe you. I wonder if the lady also uses tippex on the computer screen for...<p>U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E!</p>
<p>Except that I do believe you.</p>
<p>I wonder if the lady also uses tippex on the computer screen for mistakes?</p>Peter commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5851af3970b2009-09-20T19:19:26Z2009-09-20T19:19:26ZPeterIt’s always a pleasure to work with professionals, isn’t it? *gg* Lucky you, the PA did NOT ask you to...<p>It’s always a pleasure to work with professionals, isn’t it? *gg*</p>
<p>Lucky you, the PA did NOT ask you to send a word-file. :-D</p>Baila commented on 'You Can <i>Not</i> Make This Stuff Up….'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5db880a970c2009-09-20T18:57:45Z2009-09-20T18:57:45ZBailahttp://www.illcallbaila.blogspot.comI can't believe I actually sort of understood that conversation. And you really don't have to understand the technical part...<p>I can't believe I actually sort of understood that conversation. And you really don't have to understand the technical part to understand your frustration. </p>
<p>But I you didn't stew over this all yom tov....</p>
<p>G'mar Chatima Tova!</p>