Comments on If you thought Carter was bad...TypePad2009-09-21T10:58:17ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2009/09/ifyouthoughtcarterwasbad/comments/atom.xml/Alex commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5bb1ddd970b2009-10-04T14:03:41Z2009-10-04T14:03:41ZAlexhttp://samsonblinded.org/newsNothing new about Zbignew. Back in 1967, the Americans planned on landing their troops in Sinai to defend Egypt<p>Nothing new about Zbignew. Back in 1967, the Americans planned on landing their troops in Sinai to defend Egypt</p>Jeff commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5a5d102970b2009-09-28T20:54:26Z2009-09-28T20:54:26ZJeffEvery country has interests. And every country's interests have the potential of conflicting with those of other countries, even those...<p>Every country has interests. And every country's interests have the potential of conflicting with those of other countries, even those of its allies.</p>
<p>Do you think that there are any areas in which the interests of the United States and Israel do not perfectly coincide? Or might potentially not coincide?</p>
<p>Suppose the United States were to make the judgment that bombing the Iranian nuclear program were against its own vital interests. Would we be allowed to condemn such an attack? Foil it?</p>
<p>If an Israeli plane were about to commit an act which would embroil us in hostilities with another nation, beginning an act of war which would involve us for years to come, after we had told them not to, why would that not be considered a hostile act?</p>
<p>I'm just asking. I'm not in favor of shooting down Israeli planes, but the answer to the questions above should be thoughtful and serious, not just, "Oh! My! God!"</p>Lisa commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a59ab2af970b2009-09-25T20:41:09Z2009-09-25T20:41:09ZLisaI too was horrified by Brzezinski's comment. What unnerves me most is that 42 years after the incident, the subject...<p>I too was horrified by Brzezinski's comment. What unnerves me most is that 42 years after the incident, the subject of the Liberty comes up unbidden in a conversation about Israel and Iraq. Of all the metaphors he could find...</p>Wry Mouth commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5eae16c970c2009-09-24T05:54:50Z2009-09-24T05:54:50ZWry Mouthhttp://wrymouth.comRe: inexperienced, there is a possibility that evidence is beginning to support: We may be realizing here in the USA...<p>Re: inexperienced, there is a possibility that evidence is beginning to support:</p>
<p>We may be realizing here in the USA what the folks in DC already knew, and are exploiting: we've hired the "guy who talks real good" to be our class president. But that's all he does -- talk real good. The real powers-that-be in the school know this, and are ignoring his speech content. He runs around tuggin on shirts: "c'mon, guys! hey!" but it may not be working.</p>
<p>Not a bad way for things to go, if like me, you are an anti-federalist anyways. But a lot of people are getting disappointed. Me? Not so much. I thought this is they way things would go. Mr. Obama has to bring in the Chicago Way -type stuff now, and that makes me more nervous. ;o/</p>At The Back of the Hill commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a593e927970b2009-09-24T02:47:40Z2009-09-24T02:47:40ZAt The Back of the Hillhttp://atthebackofthehill.blogspot.com/Unbeknownst to yourself, you have guest posted on Pro-Israel Bay Bloggers (http://proisraelbaybloggers.blogspot.com/) in this piece: http://proisraelbaybloggers.blogspot.com/2009/09/if-you-thought-carter-was-bad.html It's a miracle.<p>Unbeknownst to yourself, you have guest posted on Pro-Israel Bay Bloggers (http://proisraelbaybloggers.blogspot.com/) in this piece: http://proisraelbaybloggers.blogspot.com/2009/09/if-you-thought-carter-was-bad.html</p>
<p>It's a miracle.</p>Jim Smith commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a59193d8970b2009-09-23T14:28:00Z2009-09-23T14:28:00ZJim SmithI'm not surprised that Zbiggy is speaking out. Since the diminution of the soviet threat (Look Ma, no caps for...<p>I'm not surprised that Zbiggy is speaking out. Since the diminution of the soviet threat (Look Ma, no caps for "soviet"!) the hawks over here are looking for a new bogey-man. Anyone is fair game to them.</p>
<p>As for our warplanes dogfighting, the reason there has been no significant dogfights since Korea/Vietnam is because we all now have air-air missiles that can engage beyond visual range. Why get close when you don't have to?</p>Lakewood Falling Down commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e5371d970c2009-09-22T21:15:23Z2009-09-22T21:15:23ZLakewood Falling DownWell, it is getting scary over here. The UN is in full session right before Shabbos Shuva & Yom Kippur...<p>Well, it is getting scary over here. The UN is in full session right before Shabbos Shuva & Yom Kippur with murderers, dictators and thieves. Makes me daven a little better, although I'd personally like Hashem to use the carrot in front of us rather than a whack on the back. </p>soccer dad commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a58e766e970b2009-09-22T20:38:47Z2009-09-22T20:38:47Zsoccer dadhttp://soccerdad.baltiblogs.comRahel is correct. The USS Liberty survivor's group has been co-opted by the anti-Israel (and really antisemitic) segment of the...<p>Rahel is correct. The USS Liberty survivor's group has been co-opted by the anti-Israel (and really antisemitic) segment of the US foreign policy establishment.</p>
<p>I went to a presentation at the State Department a few years ago on the Liberty. Judge A. Jay Cristol spoke. But he was consistently heckled by the survivors group. Vicious antisemite James Bamford spoke next and played the crowd. In the end Michael Oren, saved the day recalling how a number of his friends and comrades were killed in a friendly fire incident in 1982, when the IAF attacked a column of IDF tanks in broad daylight.</p>
<p>While I highly recommend Judge Cristol's book, Oren has an excellent article available online.<br />
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty1.html</p>
<p>To my mind the clearest bit of evidence that Israel did not seek to destroy the Liberty is Judge Cristol's observation that if that had been the intent, the attacking planes would have been armed with 500 lb iron bombs in order to sink the ship.</p>ED commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e46760970c2009-09-22T17:50:51Z2009-09-22T17:50:51ZEDI think there is some hope for the younger generation of educated Poles since 1990. The older generations for the...<p>I think there is some hope for the younger generation of educated Poles since 1990. The older generations for the most part,a lost cause.</p>Thomas von der Trave commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a58dc101970b2009-09-22T17:33:31Z2009-09-22T17:33:31ZThomas von der TraveYonah - I'm not surprised at that story. Polish Jew-hatred is a fact of life. My one-and-only Polish girlfriend would...<p>Yonah - I'm not surprised at that story. Polish Jew-hatred is a fact of life. My one-and-only Polish girlfriend would speak of Jewish girls as "Jewesses". As in "Negresses". She was shocked when I jokingly called her a "Christianess" to point out the absurdity. And this was in anno Domini 2002.</p>Thomas von der Trave commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e459d6970c2009-09-22T17:29:57Z2009-09-22T17:29:57ZThomas von der TraveHi, Trepp. You used to know me as Cato. I'm sharing this on Facebook. Please email me if you want...<p>Hi, Trepp. You used to know me as Cato.</p>
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<p>This is so egregious, there ought to be Hannibal Lecter masks made to fit both Carter and Zbiggy.</p>yonah commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e444da970c2009-09-22T16:59:37Z2009-09-22T16:59:37ZyonahMy mom grew up next door to the Brzezinskis in Montreal, and was not allowed into their house to play...<p>My mom grew up next door to the Brzezinskis in Montreal, and was not allowed into their house to play with Lydia (Zbig's sister) because she was a Jew. The dad was Poland's diplomat to Canada at the time - it was during WWII. So this guy's Jew-hatred runs deep.</p>Mickey commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e43dfa970c2009-09-22T16:50:18Z2009-09-22T16:50:18ZMickeyCarter is a hopeless Moron. Why even worry about him. The other Dude is also in the club of Morons.<p>Carter is a hopeless Moron.<br />
Why even worry about him.</p>
<p>The other Dude is also in the club of Morons.</p>Barzilai commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e41d19970c2009-09-22T16:10:08Z2009-09-22T16:10:08ZBarzilaihttp://www.havolim.blogspot.comI wonder, is there any real difference between not shooting down the jets and bombing the Iranians yourself? It seems...<p>I wonder, is there any real difference between not shooting down the jets and bombing the Iranians yourself? It seems to me that allowing the jets through the airspace is indistinguishable from sending your own jets to bomb Iran. I don't like his choice of words, of course, and he definitely would smile if he were the one to pull the trigger.</p>Dave Bailey commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e41b02970c2009-09-22T16:07:38Z2009-09-22T16:07:38ZDave BaileyCarter was the Hope and Change of my generation. And like the Who song says, "I hope we don't get...<p>Carter was the Hope and Change of my generation. And like the Who song says, "I hope we don't get fooled again."</p>Jack commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a58d7523970b2009-09-22T15:56:58Z2009-09-22T15:56:58ZJackhttp://wwwjackbenimble.blogspot.com/If this is how Brzezinski treats allies I can only imagine what he recommends for enemies.<p>If this is how Brzezinski treats allies I can only imagine what he recommends for enemies. </p>lrg commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e3f887970c2009-09-22T15:34:33Z2009-09-22T15:34:33ZlrgThere should be a USS Liberty corollary to Godwin's Law. Has the US ever engaged an ally's air force over...<p>There should be a USS Liberty corollary to Godwin's Law. </p>
<p>Has the US ever engaged an ally's air force over foreign airspace? Zbig has also not thought of the implications of putting US pilots at risk to defend Iran. I think that the US Air Force has not been in any dogfights since the Korean War. </p>
<p>It appears that the quality of "great geopolitical thinkers" isn't what it used to be.</p>Barzilai commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a58d37b3970b2009-09-22T15:00:57Z2009-09-22T15:00:57ZBarzilaihttp://www.havolim.blogspot.comCarter seems to be a decent man, but he just doesn't like Jews. He's not the first, won't be the...<p>Carter seems to be a decent man, but he just doesn't like Jews. He's not the first, won't be the last. Plenty of Jews don't like Jews either.</p>
<p>http://blog.nola.com/stevekelley/2009/09/18_september_2009.html</p>ED commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e3b463970c2009-09-22T14:23:35Z2009-09-22T14:23:35ZEDCan anyone believe Israel would risk the lives of their pilots by challenging US jets over Iraq? When you`re already...<p>Can anyone believe Israel would risk the lives of their pilots by challenging US jets over Iraq? When you`re already demented,age just adds to the problem in the case of Mr.B.As for Obama,I`m not sure who was behind his building freeze,sounds like it was a State Department idea. </p>Baila commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e3b0c1970c2009-09-22T14:18:46Z2009-09-22T14:18:46ZBailahttp://www.illcallbaila.blogspot.comIt doesn't really matter whether Brzezinski matters or not. That this idea is even floated is scary.<p>It doesn't really matter whether Brzezinski matters or not. That this idea is even floated is scary. </p>fred commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e3a88f970c2009-09-22T14:10:53Z2009-09-22T14:10:53Zfreddoes what brzezinski say matter any more? i think this fear coming to fruition is far from likely, and you...<p>does what brzezinski say matter any more? i think this fear coming to fruition is far from likely, and you probably have lots more realistic scenarios to fear...</p>Rahel commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a58ceb52970b2009-09-22T13:35:39Z2009-09-22T13:35:39ZRahelhttp://elmsintheyard.blogspot.comI'm thinking that this may go deeper than a grudge over the tragic Liberty incident. From what I've seen, the...<p>I'm thinking that this may go deeper than a grudge over the tragic <em>Liberty</em> incident. From what I've seen, the people who say that the Israeli attack was deliberate are usually Jew-haters.</p>Karl Newman commented on 'If you thought Carter was bad...'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0120a5e37a77970c2009-09-22T13:08:46Z2009-09-22T13:08:46ZKarl NewmanYes, it could happen, but it's not likely. Not with Bob Gates as SECDEF and James Jones as National Security...<p>Yes, it could happen, but it's not likely. Not with Bob Gates as SECDEF and James Jones as National Security Adviser, the position Brzezinski held under Carter.</p>