Comments on You can't buy what isn't for saleTypePad2009-03-17T07:07:34ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2009/03/you-cant-purchase-what-isnt-really-for-sale/comments/atom.xml/Marsha in Englewood commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01156f30d40a970b2009-03-22T00:56:03Z2009-03-22T00:56:03ZMarsha in EnglewoodWhen Goldwasser and Regev were returned, I wrote to the Jerusalem Post that the crime here is that the child...<p>When Goldwasser and Regev were returned, I wrote to the Jerusalem Post that the crime here is that the child murderer wasn't returned to Lebanon in the same condition they were returned in - in a box.(They printed my letter) I totally agree with you and trilcat. Israel needs the death penalty for terrorists. Will this put our boys at risk? Possibly. But it will also eliminate any possibility that any of these animals will have a 2nd chance at killing Jews. When Gilad was taken, Gaza should have been sealed shut, the world be damned. We're not going to be loved no matter what we do. The world only loves dead Jews.</p>ProphetJoe commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011169011369970c2009-03-18T18:08:14Z2009-03-18T18:08:14ZProphetJoehttp://americanapologist.comI should clarify one point: I meant no deception on my part when I referred to "we" and "our" in...<p>I should clarify one point: I meant no deception on my part when I referred to "we" and "our" in the previous post -- I am not Israeli, just pro-Israeli. </p>
<p>With modern technology (much of it developed in Israel!) couldn't you tag these terrorists when they are released? We've all seen the rice-sized RFID chips. Couldn't you modify one to not only give off a ID code (using a drone with GPS coordinates), but also include a small (but lethal) explosive charge? </p>
<p>When the terrorists are repatriated into Gaza (for example) you could use a drone to monitor their whereabouts and IF they start firing rockets and mortars into Israel -- well, just dial up their RFID and send a self-destruct sequence... much cheaper than a missile. It might also lend itself to plausible deniability -- "I knew Mohammed el Terrorist shouldn't have used a cell phone. Those things can kill you!!"</p>
<p>Joe</p>ProphetJoe commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01127975380828a42009-03-18T17:54:44Z2009-03-18T17:54:44ZProphetJoehttp://americanapologist.comTrading Israelis for terrorists is an interesting debate -- I agree with your assessment: "The problem is, we ruined the...<p>Trading Israelis for terrorists is an interesting debate -- I agree with your assessment: <i>"The problem is, we ruined the market for live Israelis when demonstrated our willingness- eagerness, even - to pay top price for dead Israelis."</i></p>
<p>Perhaps the negotiated quota should be for "bodies" instead of lives. If you want 100 terrorists released from our control for 1 Israeli soldier, then that's fine. But they will be returned in the same condition as our citizen is returned to us. If our soldier is dead, we'll send you 100 dead terrorists from our prisons...</p>westbankmama commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01116900971f970c2009-03-18T15:00:54Z2009-03-18T15:00:54Zwestbankmamahttp://westbankmama.wordpress.comThe Israeli media turned this whole affair into a real circus - and reinforced the impression that the Israeli people...<p>The Israeli media turned this whole affair into a real circus - and reinforced the impression that the Israeli people are desperate to make a deal. If you ask the "average Israeli" if we should release terrorists in return for Gilad, many would say no. But they are afraid to voice that opinion in public because it seems so heartless.</p>
<p>I say that the Israeli government shouldn't even talk about him until the Red Cross is allowed to verify that he is alive.</p>treppenwitz commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011169006c42970c2009-03-18T13:57:12Z2009-03-18T13:57:12Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comED... I'll leave the psychology to the professionals, but I agree. No contact means there is nothing to talk about....<p>ED... I'll leave the psychology to the professionals, but I agree. No contact means there is nothing to talk about.</p>
<p>fred... Prescient? Hah. More like a lucky guess. :-)</p>
<p>Kae Gregory ... In short, too many cooks in the kitchen... and only a few of the interested people are hungry enough to eat.</p>
<p>Batya ... Look, there is plenty of blame to spread around here. Olmert wasn't the first to depart from the old policy of no negotiations with terrorists.</p>
<p>Gila ... "<i>Is it true? I do not know if I agree with you 100% in respect to the peace process. I do know that I do not WANT to agree with you--but that is another matter.</i>" What a troubling thing to say. Unless I am completely missing your point (always a possibility with this short-hand medium), your response indicates that you think I am not interested in peace... or that I want peace less than you. If that is what you meant, the real difference between us is that I don't have a default position, or a position to defend, on most issues related to the 'peace process'. I examine the facts and the history, and analyze the available information about the decision makers, and form an opinion. I also change my opinion frequently as the facts and relative strength of the decision makers (i.e. the ability to make good on decisions once made) change. It would never occur to me to say 'I don't want to agree with someone'. I either agree or disagree. Trust me, if Zehava Gal On or Yossi Beilin were to call a press conference tomorrow and espouse a peace plan that was workable (and which had a high probability of success) within the political, demographic and security reality of the region, I would be DELIGHTED to agree with either of them. This mistaken idea that the Israeli right does not want peace as much as the left is the root of so much of the suspicion and hate here in Israel, and it pains me to see that someone as bright as you subscribes to it.</p>
<p>triLcat... Even a better idea than mine. Most of the terrorists on the list deserve the death penalty anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Heck, if this was Texas they'd already have been tried and fried long ago.</p>
<p>Rami... I wasn't aware that we had a solution for suicide bombers.</p>
<p>Mata Hari ... That is only common sense. But nobody involved in any of this seems interested in such things.</p>Mata Hari commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef0111690026df970c2009-03-18T11:55:11Z2009-03-18T11:55:11ZMata Harihttp://matahari3.blogspot.comwww.aish.com has a campaign to sign a petition to call on the United States government to make its $300 million...<p>www.aish.com has a campaign to sign a petition to call on the United States government to make its $300 million humanitarian aid pledge to the people of Gaza, conditional upon the Hamas leadership releasing Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. You sign your name (online) and provide an email address which is kept private.</p>
<p>I didn't understand why the Israelis didn't have good enough bargaining power during operation cast lead. The whole thing makes no sense to me. <br />
</p>Rami commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011279740f1128a42009-03-18T09:05:46Z2009-03-18T09:05:46ZRamiUnfortunately that's how the system works - after the Arab Governments failed, continuously to get rid of Israel - they...<p>Unfortunately that's how the system works - after the Arab Governments failed, continuously to get rid of Israel - they resulted to more unorthodox means of dealing with the 'Zionist Entity'. I believe the same approach used to secure Israel against suicide bombings should be used to deal with the Kassam's, and where diplomacy fails, alittle common-sense and realism should be used.</p>
<p>..Just a thought. </p>triLcat commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011168ffcb31970c2009-03-18T07:35:22Z2009-03-18T07:35:22ZtriLcathttp://trilcat.blogspot.comI think that as long as we are willing to accept corpses without punitive measures against those returning them, then...<p>I think that as long as we are willing to accept corpses without punitive measures against those returning them, then returning corpses will remain a good business for them.</p>
<p>I would counter their offers with a simple one. Take their list and execute one prisoner every hour until Gilad is returned. If he is returned in good health, the rest will remain alive in prison -possibly a few released as a show of whatever the world wants to see. If not, they'll all be executed.</p>Gila commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01127973dfb728a42009-03-18T06:55:14Z2009-03-18T06:55:14ZGilahttp://www.myshrapnel.blogspot.comIs it true? I do not know if I agree with you 100% in respect to the peace process. I...<p>Is it true? I do not know if I agree with you 100% in respect to the peace process. I do know that I do not WANT to agree with you--but that is another matter. But, I do agree that allowing terrorist groups to turn corpses into currency was an astoundingly bad idea. And I am not a particular fan of the current proposed deal. So long as the other side knows that they can get whatever they ask for in exchange for a corpse...what reason do they have to stop the kidnapping? </p>Batya commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01127973a98a28a42009-03-18T04:30:46Z2009-03-18T04:30:46ZBatyahttp://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/So, true, so sad, and it boils down to one thing... very Ehud Olmert.<p>So, true, so sad, and it boils down to one thing...<br />
very Ehud Olmert.</p>Kae Gregory commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011168ff764c970c2009-03-18T04:11:55Z2009-03-18T04:11:55ZKae GregorySadly, I agree with your plan. Not because it will necessarily be effective - which I believe it would. But...<p>Sadly, I agree with your plan. Not because it will necessarily be effective - which I believe it would. But because it is, in my weak minded opinion, inevitable. It is the nature of this struggle and the stakes involved in both winning, and losing that make concluding the struggle so terrible to imagine. The entire world (with the possible exception of the Palestinians and Muslims in general), want to see this struggle in a secular framework with solutions that would be viable under such a framework. For them (the secularists) to consider it in any other other light would be beyond inconceivable. But the struggle cannot be separated from the religiosity, nor especially, the spirituality at its core. There will be no tie in this struggle. To satisfy the secular world, there are two possible satisfactory outcomes - continuous struggle or a winner that will not threaten secular belief. But continuous struggle while possibly not unattractive when considered objectively, is really not possible. There are just too many people - powerful people - who want a definitive result. If one side wins - there are two winners. If the other side wins, then there are two losers. Ultimately, whoever loses, for either the religious or for the secular, land, and even life, will be the least of what they will have lost.</p>fred commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01127972405428a42009-03-17T19:43:34Z2009-03-17T19:43:34Zfredi dont disagree. i just found prescient, and apropos to quote here. what you said came to be, more or...<p>i dont disagree. i just found prescient, and apropos to quote here. what you said came to be, more or less. pity.</p>ED commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011168fcd4e5970c2009-03-17T14:27:49Z2009-03-17T14:27:49ZEDExcellent post.The fact that no contact is allowed with the prisoner is a deal breaker from the start.I also don`t...<p>Excellent post.The fact that no contact is allowed with the prisoner is a deal breaker from the start.I also don`t understand the reverse psychology. Isn`the individual(soldier)supposed to sacrifice for the many(civilians)?I hope Gilad is returned alive,and also that this is the last such trade Israel will ever make. </p>treppenwitz commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef01127970a4a428a42009-03-17T13:18:46Z2009-03-17T13:18:46Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comgila... thank you. I like both adjectives you used ('beautiful' and 'sad'). But I'm curious... do you feel the post...<p>gila... thank you. I like both adjectives you used ('beautiful' and 'sad'). But I'm curious... do you feel the post also merits a 'true'?</p>
<p>fred... OK, you have quoted my previous post. Do you disagree with what I wrote? That section you have quoted certainly isn't in conflict with anything I wrote this morning, is it?</p>fred commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011168fc9593970c2009-03-17T12:30:35Z2009-03-17T12:30:35Zfredfrom the 132 Palestians post on Treppenwitz, back in 2006: And talking about a massive ground offensive to reoccupy the...<p>from the 132 Palestians post on Treppenwitz, back in 2006:</p>
<p>And talking about a massive ground offensive to reoccupy the northern Gaza is just silly. It would be roughly analogous to a massive police task force being sent into a bad neighborhood to arrest all the drug dealers and junkies. It wouldn't touch the big fish who control the supply of both drugs and money... and within days a new crop of dealers and junkies would be back on the street conducting business as usual.</p>gila commented on 'You can't buy what isn't for sale'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef011168fc7576970c2009-03-17T11:19:48Z2009-03-17T11:19:48Zgilahttp://www.myshrapnel.blogspot.comBeautiful. And very, very sad.<p>Beautiful. And very, very sad. </p>