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Monday, January 26, 2009

A new sport

You've heard of the running of the bulls in Pamplona.  Well, they have something similar in London now.  I was going to call it the running of the Muslims, but it is clearly the London police who were being run and made sport of here.


No need to travel though.  This will be coming to a city near you very soon.


Posted by David Bogner on January 26, 2009 | Permalink

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David, is this from the Jan 9 - 11th worldwide protesting/riots or is it more recent?

Posted by: Tehillah | Jan 26, 2009 10:30:26 AM

Tehillah... According to the title it seems to be from Jan 2nd, but it was posted on the 18th. SO I'm not sure.

Posted by: David Bogner | Jan 26, 2009 10:49:25 AM

that is some seriously scary stuff.

Posted by: noa | Jan 26, 2009 10:50:48 AM

They may get away with that with the Bobbies or in an 'enlightened' city like San Francisco or Seattle. However, I'd like to see them try that in places like Jacksonville, Houston or Miami. Especially Miami.

Posted by: Karl Newman | Jan 26, 2009 11:36:53 AM

Suddenly, the comment elsewhere on the blogosphere a few weeks ago regarding British constables not carrying side arms makes a bit more sense... and also somewhat diminishes Robin William's otherwise hysterical, "Stop! Or I will say stop again!"

[sigh]

Posted by: zahava | Jan 26, 2009 11:43:51 AM

Ugh. What are they even hoping to achieve by chasing the police?

Posted by: What War Zone??? | Jan 26, 2009 1:33:46 PM

Wow. What madness. Every Muslim protest has to have some measure of violence of it isn't a valid one, I guess. Seriously, it seems the only way to meet them on this is to put the beat-down on. As far as I've seen, the ONLY thing the Muslim 'street' respects is force be it theirs or a superior one against it. These street protests are only going to get worse unless the Bobbies find some way to contain the mob to put the 'beat-down' on them. Gentle hands are for gentle protests. The headlines will eventually read dead police officers or dead Muslims, and from what this video shows, it probably wont be the Muslims.

Posted by: Joshua K | Jan 26, 2009 3:08:22 PM

"coming to a city near you very soon" is a scary thought, but it is the truth. Anyone who believes this is a "Jewish problem" is absolutely bonkers. Radical Islam knows no borders.

I won't have to preach to the choir much longer, because Obama is going to save us all.

Posted by: Sam | Jan 26, 2009 4:16:18 PM

My friend watched something similar from his office window overlooking Times Square. However, the NYPD just let them run back and forth and did not take the bait.

The protesters were generally ignored.

Posted by: Joe | Jan 26, 2009 4:39:19 PM

It is from a while ago. I featured it in one of my roundups about the war. Just one more sign that Europe is in serious trouble.

Posted by: Jack | Jan 26, 2009 8:41:55 PM

I saw this video about a week ago and was horrified - the police were actually running away while being baited by the crowd. What is going on? Where are the water cannons and the tear gas? What's with the lack of crowd control? It was the same in Sweden yesterday - Muslims without a permit to march started marching against Jews who did have a permit and the Jews were disbursed. Regarding Britian, at first I thought that there must have been orders from on high not to engage, but then I thought, who the heck would want to engage. I'd run too if I didn't have the option of more lethal force. Trencheons aren't enough.

Posted by: nr | Jan 26, 2009 11:57:08 PM

The trend where my in-laws live in Belgium is similar - the face of Europe has been changing for a long time, but we are getting to the tipping point. Sometimes it seems like just desserts for a)Europe and the Jews in semi-recent history and b)Europe's nasty attitude towards Israel

Posted by: RaggedyMom | Jan 27, 2009 2:34:20 AM

to confirm your "This will be coming to a city near you very soon"

Here is the video taken from a Pro Hamas demonstration at the courthouse in Ft Lauderdale, FL.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Xl68kP4wo

Posted by: David S | Jan 27, 2009 3:16:20 AM

Notice who gave the orders there? They weren't charging FLPD and the police weren't running.

Posted by: Karl Newman | Jan 27, 2009 3:54:02 AM

Austin is the San Francisco of Texas but the police here would not put up with that for a minute. They would be ridden down by cops on horseback.

Posted by: Dick Stanley | Jan 27, 2009 7:14:07 AM

That does look pretty darn disturbing. I'm afraid that I wouldn't have the kind of patience shown by those bobbies.

I am curious if we are seeing this video in the right context. I could see this as a planned demonstration that was scheduled to parade a certain route that reqired a police/riot crew on hand at each end to prevent opposing protesters clashing. It also appeared that the muslims had their own enforcers of calm there in the front walking backwards with the police.

Posted by: Lynn | Jan 27, 2009 8:17:09 AM

Yeh-- even Austin?

"Coming to a city near you -- except in Texas."

Posted by: Wry Mouth | Jan 27, 2009 8:26:37 AM

i think maybe some nj state troopers may be of some help.

Posted by: nikki | Jan 27, 2009 10:35:37 AM

Interesting to note that the channel broadcasting this clip on YouTube is the BNP (British National Party - largest and most organized far-right nationalist movement in Britain).

The implication of their broadcast is "Islamo-facsism is rampant, Britain's finest are impotent against it... Scared? You should be!")

There is an irony to this matching likely reaction from the Jewish / pro-Zionist community.

Posted by: Victor | Jan 27, 2009 11:03:04 AM

Victor... You wrote: The implication of their broadcast is "Islamo-facsism is rampant, Britain's finest are impotent against it... Scared? You should be!" Say what you will, but that is exactly what I felt after viewing the video. Are you saying this impression is somehow false? How so? And as to irony, how do you mean? Are you saying that the images from this long video clip are somehow suspect because of who submitted them to YouTUbe and /or whose case stands to be bolstered by the public viewing it? I'm curious... is there something that happened at this demo that we were not shown that you feel was important in order to offer a balanced view of the participants?

Posted by: David Bogner | Jan 27, 2009 12:22:10 PM

Fringe groups like the BNP gain power when governments refuse to carry out their responsibility toward public safety and the rule of law. When normally law-abiding people have had enough, they will take matters into their own hands, giving rise to vigilantism and a further breakdown of law and order. If Europe doesn't come to grips with the radical Muslims in its midst and do it soon, Europe will eventually descend into anarchy.

Posted by: Karl Newman | Jan 27, 2009 12:50:03 PM

David - No. I was just observing an ironic (and fleeting) "mifgash interesim" between the BNP who posted this with an expected reaction in mind, and my own Jewish / pro-Zionist reaction.

Posted by: Victor | Jan 27, 2009 1:53:15 PM

Personally I do not feel comfortable making assumptions about how this would be handled in large US cities. There are too many variables. On the one hand, many cops in the US are ex-military who may be Middle East vets, which is confidence inspiring to me. On the other hand, cops are being asked to take pay cuts and are being laid off because of the financial problems we are having on a national scale. They are tired and are feeling unappreciated. That does not make me feel confident about how they would handle such a situation.

That was embarrassing to watch on so many levels. It is hard for me to not feel those cops acted like total cowards.

Posted by: Alice | Jan 27, 2009 3:49:40 PM

I take it, then, that you haven't heard about what happened here in Germany?

Posted by: a. | Jan 27, 2009 5:21:10 PM

a. ..."I take it, then, that you haven't heard about what happened here in Germany?" Yes, they did some terrible things, but I make it a point never to discuss the war. Oh... you were talking about something else, weren't you? :-)

Posted by: David Bogner | Jan 27, 2009 5:25:33 PM

I haven't looked into this deeply, but having seen the route they were taking round London and the fact that the police were benig so hands-off says to me that this was a planned demo. The UK (and London in particular) has very strict rules about unauthorised demos/marches, so there is no way they would have allowed it to take place otherwise. There's an organisation that has been running demos regarding Operation Cast Lead for the duration, and they also organised demos regarding Iraq/Afghanistan etc.

In my opinion, this is light touch for the Met Police (London). They can be more 'proactive' very easily!

Posted by: Rachel | Jan 27, 2009 5:40:49 PM

Scary. Where is CNN or even (gasp) Fox?

Posted by: Lakewood Falling Down | Jan 28, 2009 1:11:03 AM

What bothered me almost more than the running/chasing, was the way the crowd taunted and cursed at the police - calling them cowards. I'm sure the police could have used more force (or tear gas). My guess is they were afraid of getting violent and being accused of harming "peaceful" civilians. This is the way they fight - if they're intimidating, they win....if they get hurt, they win.

Posted by: Mata Hari | Jan 28, 2009 2:28:22 PM

Alice,

On the other hand, cops are being asked to take pay cuts and are being laid off because of the financial problems we are having on a national scale. They are tired and are feeling unappreciated. That does not make me feel confident about how they would handle such a situation.

None of us entered the law enforcement profession for the money and being tired and feeling unappreciated is normal. All of that is part of the job and always has been. If an incident like the protest in London occurs here in the US, we will deal with it because dealing with disorder is what we do. Unless, of course, the command staff and/or the politicians won't let us. I can see political interference occurring in some cities because it has happened before. But in most places, violence would be dealt with and dealt with in a decisive manner. If an agency can't handle it, they can call in state agencies or other local agencies under their mutual aid agreements.

Mata Hari,

Those Met Police in London ran because they had no choice. They were outnumbered and under equipped. They may have also been under orders to not engage the protesters, no matter what. Considering the level of PC that runs through all levels of UK government, that would not surprise me.

Posted by: Karl Newman | Jan 28, 2009 7:58:55 PM

Karl,
Yes...I kind of figured that was the case and not that they were cowards. I just thought it's not fair that they have to face a situation like that with (basically) their hands tied behind their backs. And likely it will only get worse.

Mata

Posted by: Mata Hari | Jan 28, 2009 8:29:45 PM

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