Comments on Wise words from The Wall Street JournalTypePad2008-02-27T08:02:25ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2008/02/wise-words-from/comments/atom.xml/treppenwitz commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550926f1d88332008-03-03T10:23:14Z2008-03-03T10:23:14Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comBenji Lovitt ... Not surprising that the JPost couldn't hold on to a talent like that. Lurker... I posted an...<p>Benji Lovitt ... Not surprising that the JPost couldn't hold on to a talent like that.</p>
<p>Lurker... I posted an update in your honor. Thanks for keeping me honest.</p>
<p>Wry Mouth ... As long as they are fair and honest I don't care which way they lean.</p>
<p>Jonathan... Good point. Israel has a consistency problem in more than how it deals with terrorists.</p>
<p>Ben-David... Don't pat yourself on the back just yet, svengali. I have plenty of nasty things to say about those on the right... I just haven't had time to muster the proper level of contempt.</p>
<p>nikki... One thing that occurred to me is that many people don't get to the back page.</p>
<p>uberimma... Please don't hold your breath. :-)</p>
<p>Jack... I've often thought the words small and Republican made a nice paring, but probably not in the sense you intended. :-)</p>
<p>Lion of Zion... I think many potential WSJ readers are scared off by the graphs and finance stuff they might find between the hard news items and editorials. And reading Haaretz before bed is just asking for nightmares. :-)</p>Lion of Zion commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5508fed4e88332008-03-02T08:01:07Z2008-03-02T08:01:07ZLion of Zionhttp://agmk.blogspot.comand checking out haaretz b4 i go to sleep, i can conclude without a doubt that this paper is even...<p>and checking out haaretz b4 i go to sleep, i can conclude without a doubt that this paper is even worse than the times.</p>Lion of Zion commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550a4b8da88342008-03-02T07:41:17Z2008-03-02T07:41:17ZLion of Zionhttp://agmk.blogspot.comLURKER: "This editorial . . ." just to clarify, this piece in question is an op-ed, not an editorial. the...<p>LURKER:</p>
<p>"This editorial . . ."</p>
<p>just to clarify, this piece in question is an op-ed, not an editorial. the distinction is very important. and on that note . . .</p>
<p>DAVID:</p>
<p>i switched my subscription from the times to the journal about 5 years ago. i've found the editorial page (not to be confused with the opinion or op-ed articles) to be consistently right of center on israel. and by consistently i mean 100% of the time.</p>
<p>op-eds are 90% with israel.</p>
<p>the newsreporting might be a bit more uneven, but it is nothing compared to what you find in the times et al.</p>
<p>of course i am biased in favor of the journal, considering they printed 2 letters i sent them on israel.</p>
<p>http://agmk.blogspot.com/2006/10/my-letters-in-wall-street-journal.html#links</p>
<p>(i especially like the first letter.)<br />
</p>Jack commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5509d675888342008-02-28T08:50:24Z2008-02-28T08:50:24ZJackhttp://wwwjackbenimble.blogspot.com/I have felt for a long time that the WSJ is more consistent in its coverage. Apparently some of the...<p>I have felt for a long time that the WSJ is more consistent in its coverage. Apparently some of the people I have passed articles to consider it the old white man newspaper. </p>
<p>That description follows the trend of trying to label anything Republican as being followed by a small,elitist group, but that is a story for a different day.</p>uberimma commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5508819db88332008-02-28T02:50:45Z2008-02-28T02:50:46Zuberimmahttp://doornumberthree.blogspot.comThanks. Now if only we could get that out there on CNN, NBC, Fox and, why not, the front page...<p>Thanks. Now if only we could get that out there on CNN, NBC, Fox and, why not, the front page of the NYT...</p>nikki commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55087668188332008-02-27T22:12:17Z2008-02-27T22:12:18Znikkii noticed the wsj's strong support of israel and general anti-terorism stance after the murder of daniel pearl. they may...<p>i noticed the wsj's strong support of israel and general anti-terorism stance after the murder of daniel pearl. they may have always held this position, but it was that heinous act that led me to start seriously paying attention to the journal and what the editors had to say about terrorism.</p>Ben-David commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55086758788332008-02-27T16:10:12Z2008-02-27T16:10:13ZBen-DavidComing along nicely.... sees the warts of the NYTimes, learning that the WSJ is not the paper of establishment meanies......<p>Coming along nicely.... sees the warts of the NYTimes, learning that the WSJ is not the paper of establishment meanies... excellent....</p>Jonathan commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55086617988332008-02-27T15:32:06Z2008-02-27T15:33:05ZJonathanWry Mouth is right. It's editorial stand tends to be supportive of Israel, at least by mainstream media standards, but...<p>Wry Mouth is right. It's editorial stand tends to be supportive of Israel,<br />
at least by mainstream media standards, but its news content is very mixed.</p>
<p>The WSJ periodicallly (though at rather low frequency) has articles about how<br />
hard it is for Palestinian entreprenuers to succeed or the poor state of<br />
the economy in Palestinian areas and will blame (or list as a major contributing<br />
factor) Israeli checkpoints or security closures without stating why Israel<br />
has the checkpoints and closures in the first place. The reader is often<br />
given the impression that Israel sets up checkpoints and closures out of <br />
vindictiveness or as as a tool to cripple the Palestinian economy.</p>
<p>News items will often concentrate on the Israeli military response (should it<br />
occur) to a terrorist attack rather than the stream of prior terrorist attacks<br />
that prompted it and terror attacks and responses will often be put in the<br />
context of their impact on the "peace process" or regional stability.</p>
<p>Part of this may just be news content. If rockets are fired at Sderot everyday,<br />
then rocket 346 is not news. From the previous 345 rocket firings, one could<br />
pretty well predict that 346 is coming in the near future. So when it happens,<br />
it's not news. Of course, it would be nice for newspapers to have articles stating<br />
that the is a steady barrage of rockets being fired at Sderot. But newspapers<br />
are better at covering individual events, rather than ongoing activities.</p>
<p>However, Israeli responses are infrequent and Arab responses to Israeli military<br />
action has the potential to destabilize things. This means that why it isn't<br />
"fair" to blame the Israeli response for the on-going violence, the fact that<br />
there is an Israeli response is news: It indicates that something new<br />
is happening and something that has the potential to be a step in a broader round<br />
of fighting such as in the Summer of 2006.</p>
<p>While I am sure that much of the problem is the media's bias against Israel.<br />
Part of the problem is that Israel does not consistently response to terrorist<br />
violence. Thus the times that it does respond is a newsworthy event while the<br />
on-going terrorist violence isn't. If it is a deadly but steady drip, drip, drip,<br />
well after 50 drips, it's understood that drip 51 will happen. So drip 51 is<br />
not "news" in this sense of the word.</p>Wry Mouth commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55086369388332008-02-27T14:06:58Z2008-02-27T14:07:00ZWry Mouthhttp://wrymouth.comThe WSJ befuddles many, because its *content* leans leftward, but the *editorials* lean to the right. Why? Ya got me.<p>The WSJ befuddles many, because its *content* leans leftward, but the *editorials* lean to the right. Why? Ya got me. </p>Lurker commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5508613ac88332008-02-27T12:21:54Z2008-02-27T12:21:54ZLurkerWhile certainly not as troubling as the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal has not been a consistent friend...<p><i>While certainly not as troubling as the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal has not been a consistent friend of Israel nor a consistently balanced source of news and commentary about this region.</i></p>
<p>I am curious what prompted you to write this disclaimer. This editorial is yet another example of the <i>WSJ</i>'s refreshingly clearheaded, unbiased coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict. I have seen countless such editorials in this paper. Over the years, I have found the <i>WSJ</i> to be a <i>very</i> consistent friend of Israel, and an extraordinarily balanced source of news and commentary about this region. What makes you say otherwise?<br />
</p>Benji Lovitt commented on 'Wise words from The Wall Street Journal'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5509a3c2888342008-02-27T09:52:23Z2008-02-27T09:52:23ZBenji Lovitthttp://www.whatwarzone.comBret Stephens is brilliant...former editor of Jpost I think who I heard speak on a mission a few years ago....<p>Bret Stephens is brilliant...former editor of Jpost I think who I heard speak on a mission a few years ago. And really young-early/mid 30s (to me, that's young.)</p>