Comments on What Gilad's father is thinkingTypePad2006-06-26T08:17:06ZDavid Bognerhttps://www.treppenwitz.com/tag:typepad.com,2003:https://www.treppenwitz.com/2006/06/if_you_were_gil/comments/atom.xml/sei la commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb2c788332006-07-01T02:14:51Z2008-02-14T04:44:41Zsei laTo each Jew died, a pig to less, hauhuhuaaaa<p>To each Jew died, a pig to less, hauhuhuaaaa</p>Fabio commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb5ec88332006-06-30T19:43:25Z2008-02-14T04:45:18ZFabioIn a war there is no fear. But everyone is terrified. In a war there is no hope. But everyone...<p>In a war there is no fear. But everyone is terrified.<br />
In a war there is no hope. But everyone still belive.<br />
In a war there is no martirs. Everyone suffer in they own way.<br />
In a war there is no crimes. A war in fact is a crime.<br />
In a war there is no right. Every new step is a big mistake.<br />
In a war no one is wrong. Everybody want's to survive.<br />
A war don't have winner's. <br />
A war don't have a good side.<br />
A war don't chose victms.<br />
A war is made to make cry.<br />
A war don't have reasons.<br />
A war don't became old.<br />
A war is just a war.<br />
Made for who forget what is love.</p>
<p>Fabio de Toledo</p>
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</p>Fabio commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb29188332006-06-30T19:29:27Z2008-02-14T04:44:39ZFabioI read some of those comments and I saw a lot of people saying that the palestins are this or...<p>I read some of those comments and I saw a lot of people saying that the palestins are this or that....but I see all the time Israel making new atacks anda killimg a lot of palestins. A good number of them inocents.<br />
You say that they are kidnappers but I think that this poor soldier is just a prisioner of war. <br />
Maybe I1m wrong. I leave too far from this countrys but for me it's just a war. And like all the wars both side have losts and both side are killers and inocents. =/</p>Paulo Gergely Georges commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb66c88332006-06-30T14:34:35Z2008-02-14T04:45:25ZPaulo Gergely GeorgesHere in Brazil we are praying and hoping that this situation will be finish soon shabat shalom to all Paulo...<p>Here in Brazil we are praying and hoping that this situation will be finish soon</p>
<p>shabat shalom to all</p>
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Paulo Gergely</p>Paulo Andrade commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5505240e088342006-06-30T13:55:15Z2008-02-14T04:45:21ZPaulo Andradeque o Deus de Abrão, Isac e Jacob proteja Gilad Shalit como tambem todo Israel, e que voces sejam bem...<p>que o Deus de Abrão, Isac e Jacob proteja Gilad Shalit como tambem todo Israel, e que voces sejam bem aventurados na luta contra o terrorismo deste bondoso soldado.</p>
<p>Shalom,</p>
<p>Paulo Andrade</p>Warren commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523f5488342006-06-28T13:43:00Z2008-02-14T04:44:57ZWarrenHow to Negotiate with Terrorists First send in the IDF to capture a large chunk of Gaza. Then explain that...<p><b>How to Negotiate with Terrorists</b><br /><br />
First send in the IDF to capture a large chunk of Gaza. Then explain that the land will not be returned until Gilad is returned alive and well. While the Palestinians are willing to die for land, they can't very well sacrifice land for land. It's their highest value.</p>
<p>Keep in mind -- anything the government of Israel does now risks re-uniting a currently divided Palestinian society.<br />
</p>Shanah commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523e7f88342006-06-27T16:55:53Z2008-02-14T04:44:49ZShanahhttp://conservajew.blogspot.comDavid, what an incredibly emotive and reasoned piece. I agree with you 100%. In an odd way, your entry gave...<p>David, what an incredibly emotive and reasoned piece. I agree with you 100%. In an odd way, your entry gave me a sense of shalom about the situation, maybe because I can see more and more Israelis thinking along the same lines now, finally, after years of peace processes and protests. No one wants Gilad to be murdered, yet we acknowledge this by understanding that we can't negotiate any more. If this soldier, this army, and this nation mean anything to us, we will stop negotiating and start making demands, and backing up those demands with action, for our children's sake if not our own.</p>
<p>Ait--<br />
"Those who live in Israel do so out of the deep and principled understanding that there is more to life than living."</p>
<p>No, those who live in Israel do so out of the deep and principled understanding that HaShem is the giver of eternal life. As King David once said, "The L-rd is my light and my salvation. Whom shall I fear? The L-rd is the strength of my life. Of whom shall I be afraid?"</p>
<p>Life in Israel isn't a question of easy versus hard; it's a question of faith versus fear. I once remarked to a fellow Jewish American that Israel may "need" our money, but we <i>need</i> her courage. This is true more now than ever; we need Israel's courage because we need Israel to survive. And, for this, we need Israel to have faith.</p>
<p>And, knowing that we are Israel too, diaspora or not, we must have faith right alongside her. Pardon me while I daven for my nation.</p>
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</p>ait commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523e3e88342006-06-27T15:20:23Z2008-02-14T04:44:47ZaitYael - I've been in your shoes and my parents have been in your shoes. I'm not advocating for you...<p>Yael - I've been in your shoes and my parents have been in your shoes.</p>
<p>I'm not advocating for you to leave Israel unless you cannot support the "deep and principled understanding that there is more to life than living". My family and I chose not to put principle in front of physical well-being. In many ways, I am a coward.</p>Alan commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523cdc88342006-06-27T11:10:23Z2008-02-14T04:44:35ZAlanWhy haven't the gas and water to Gaza already been shut off?<p>Why haven't the gas and water to Gaza already been shut off?</p>treppenwitz commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523e3588342006-06-27T11:08:04Z2008-02-14T04:44:47Ztreppenwitzhttp://www.treppenwitz.comScott... There are very few truly original ideas under the sun. Westbank Mama... I once saw a car with a...<p>Scott... There are very few truly original ideas under the sun.</p>
<p>Westbank Mama... I once saw a car with a bumper-sticker that said "Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity". I felt like running the idiot off the road because that sentiment proves there are people who are just too stupid to be allowed to live.</p>
<p>Seawitch... I know the type well. He is a skinny kid who desperately wanted to serve in a combat unit but who couldn't pass the 'giboosh' (screening) for the elite infantry units. So he opted for an equally honorable place in a tank crew and was probably proud a proud could be to be accepted. Tankists tend to be salt-of-the earth guys who probably made him feel right at home... perhpas the first time in his life he truly felt he fit in and was respected for who he was. And now he is facing the kind of test that even the elite commandos shudder to consider. I pray for him.</p>
<p>Social Worker... I can't hurt.</p>
<p>Irina... More simply put, there are no rules in a knife fight.</p>
<p>Dave... I'm not ready to start forming the kind of extra-legal militias that exist over in Pali-land... and I'd shoot anyone who tried to form one in my town. We're better than that.</p>
<p>Lisoosh... I agree, that is anarchy... not to mention treason. I happen to know (and love) Dave and have consumed many a bottle of wine with him while we've discussed this sort of thing. The difference between us that he is there and I am here. that basic difference can't help but have an effect on the level of rhetoric.</p>
<p>ait... You are welcome to disagree with me. But before you suggest I leave Israel... you might want to consider spending a little less time in Boston and a little more time her in my shoes.</p>
<p>Psychotoddler... A different value for human life is not in and of itself a bad thing. But when two cultures that place a different value on life face each other in war it is a fatal mistake for the culture that values life more to hand this fact to the enemy to be used as a weapon.</p>
<p>Max Power... Most of the people are living fairly close to the stone age as it is. My suggestion is to take the leaders who are living in multi-million dollar seaside villas and move them a few steps down the food chain.</p>
<p>Ari Kinsberg... Whether it is true or not, this is the reason family members are not allowed to participate in ongoing efforts to secure the release of hostages.</p>
<p>PK... This government isn't worthy to own the videos about Entebbe... and probably couldn't do much better than the German government in Munich.</p>
<p>Yael... They are already operating with the formula that they can and should kill as many of ours even if none of theirs have died. I hope you aren;t seriously suggesting that all Palestinian terror is in reprisal for Israeli actions. Everything I know about you makes me want to believe you are too smart to swallow the 'cycle of violence' pill.<br />
</p>Yael commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523ec888342006-06-27T10:28:20Z2008-02-14T04:44:52ZYaelhttp://olehgirl.blogspot.comDave --I agree with many of the things you say here but not all. I agree that we cannot go...<p>Dave --I agree with many of the things you say here but not all. I agree that we cannot go down the road of negotiating for his release and doing a prisoner exchange. But I do not agree that we should do a scorched earth policy. I think we go after those who are directly responsible and stop there. </p>
<p>Let's turn the idea that for every one of ours that is killed 1,000 of theirs are killed around --if they also hold this view, 1,000 of ours for every 1 of theirs --we end up with a massacre on both sides. And where will it end? </p>pk commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb6bd88332006-06-27T05:52:44Z2008-02-14T04:45:28ZpkAfter watching Munich and Raid on Entebbe you notice how intricate the decision making process is in government, especially during...<p>After watching <i>Munich</i> and <i>Raid on Entebbe</i> you notice how intricate the decision making process is in government, especially during a hostage or terror attack situation, it's all fiction but maybe you can learn something from them.</p>
<p><i>Free Gilad!</i> </p>Ari Kinsberg commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523f0688342006-06-27T03:10:51Z2008-02-14T04:44:54ZAri KinsbergI once heard a (apocryphal?) story about Golda Meir. While defending Israel's decision not to negotiate with terrorists, a journalist...<p>I once heard a (apocryphal?) story about Golda Meir. While defending Israel's decision not to negotiate with terrorists, a journalist asked her if she would expect the government to negotiate on behlaf of her own son. "Of course I would demand that they do so," she replied, "but I pray they would not listen to me."</p>Max Power commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523ff288342006-06-26T22:12:12Z2008-02-14T04:45:06ZMax PowerNo, we gotta daven and bomb gaza back to the stone-age. Israel has to learn once and for all that...<p></p>
<p>No, we gotta daven and bomb gaza back to the stone-age. Israel has to learn once and for all that peace is achieved through superior firepower.</p>zahava commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523ce488342006-06-26T19:40:04Z2008-02-14T04:44:35Zzahavaait -- you make it sound as though living elsewhere guarantees safety. yes, there are dangers here, but there are...<p>ait -- you make it sound as though living elsewhere guarantees safety. yes, there are dangers here, but there are dangers everywhere. car accidents and illnesses are simply representative of some of the dangers of simply LIVING -- regardless of your location.</p>
<p>pt -- i think that golda meir is attributed with the thought that all is lost "until they learn to love their children more than they hate ours" (or mashu kazeh). sadly, it seems that not a lot has changed by way of THAT dynamic in the past 30+ years.....</p>psychotoddler commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523f3d88342006-06-26T19:30:43Z2008-02-14T04:44:56Zpsychotoddlerhttp://psychotoddler.blogspot.com" I would even gladly exchange my own life for the chance to let my son marry, have children and...<p>" I would even gladly exchange my own life for the chance to let my son marry, have children and enjoy a full life of his own."</p>
<p>Contrast this with what we constantly hear from the mothers of suicide bombers, how they wish they could have 10 more to become martyrs. That's the difference between us and them. </p>ait commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523f2088342006-06-26T18:55:01Z2008-02-14T04:44:55ZaitI disagree with your assessment. A terrorist-for-hostage trade trades a hostage whose life is in immediate danger for terrorists that...<p>I disagree with your assessment.</p>
<p>A terrorist-for-hostage trade trades a hostage whose life is in immediate danger for terrorists that pose only a potential danger to life. IMO, the Jewish way has always been to give priority to the life immediately in danger while at the same time increasing defensive posture; kidnappers would thus learn the importance of keeping their hostages alive.</p>
<p>With respect to your own son ... if you truly would do whatever it secure the release of your son, you would be the wiser to leave Israel now and avoid the situation entirely.</p>
<p> Those who live in Israel do so out of the deep and principled understanding that there is more to life than living. For now, I live<br />
in the US.</p>dave commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523cf988342006-06-26T18:23:17Z2008-02-14T04:44:35Zdaveactually I think it is termed revolution.<p>actually I think it is termed revolution. </p>lisoosh commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523e5e88342006-06-26T17:54:04Z2008-02-14T04:44:48ZlisooshMuch as it pains me I actually agree with you. Dave - what you are advocating is anarchy. Who gets...<p>Much as it pains me I actually agree with you.</p>
<p>Dave - what you are advocating is anarchy. Who gets to decide where the line is?</p>dave commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb6d188332006-06-26T16:37:21Z2008-02-14T04:45:29Zdaveat what point does a nation have a right to defend itself when the government refuses? at what point does...<p>at what point does a nation have a right to defend itself when the government refuses? at what point does a town have the right to defend itself from kassams when the government won't? how can a nation expect its citizens to send their children to war when the government sends them in harm's way and not allow them to protect themselves? it happened in lebanon only to continue now the generals and officers have a responsibility to the men under their command if they cannot do everything in their power to protect them from stupid politics they don't belong as officers and leaders. i am sorry for this rant too</p>Irina commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523fe588342006-06-26T15:15:26Z2008-02-14T04:45:05ZIrinahttp://sicat222.blogspot.comAgree completely. There is simply no other way. Years ago, I used to think there was - but time showed...<p>Agree completely. There is simply no other way. Years ago, I used to think there was - but time showed there is no negotiating with people who do not respect the humanity of their enemy or rules of war.</p>social worker frustrated mom commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e550523e9788342006-06-26T13:53:06Z2008-02-14T04:44:50Zsocial worker frustrated momhttp://www.perturbedmom.blogspot.comSo sad, we just gotta daven.<p>So sad, we just gotta daven.</p>seawitch commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e55052402388342006-06-26T11:24:21Z2008-02-14T04:45:08Zseawitchhttp://www.seawitch.observationdeck.orgI saw a picture of the Gilead that was kidnapped. It haunts me. He is so young and the same...<p>I saw a picture of the Gilead that was kidnapped. It haunts me. He is so young and the same age as my own son. My being cries out for his safe return. But like you, I don't want it to be negotiated. </p>
<p>I fear the barbarity this young man might be facing at the hands of his kidnappers.</p>
<p>But you correct, the government must act in a manner that would make kidnapping so costly to those who would try it, that it will not become usable.</p>
<p>But Gilead's picture still haunts me.</p>westbankmama commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb3eb88332006-06-26T09:35:28Z2008-02-14T04:44:52Zwestbankmamahttp://www.westbankblog.blogspot.comAt first I thought that your title was a bit presumptous, until I realized that "Gili" stands for Gilad. Hits...<p>At first I thought that your title was a bit presumptous, until I realized that "Gili" stands for Gilad. Hits even closer to home then... I agree with you again David. Whenever we send soldiers to war we are possibly sacrificing one mother's son to protect another's. That is the way life is - and although peace is a wonderful concept, it doesn't exist unless you are willing to fight for it (ironic but true).</p>Scott commented on 'What Gilad's father is thinking'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341c581e53ef00e5503eb27b88332006-06-26T08:31:58Z2008-02-14T04:44:38ZScottYour suggestion of the other day has caught on with someone else: http://israelperspectives.blogspot.com/<p>Your suggestion of the other day has caught on with someone else:</p>
<p>http://israelperspectives.blogspot.com/</p>