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Tuesday, May 09, 2006
A post with [very] limited appeal
I apologize in advance for today's bout of navel-gazing. I'll be the first to admit that the only thing more painful than a Broadway musical about some behind-the-scenes aspect of putting on a Broadway musical is a writer continually droning on about various pitfalls of the writing process.
This tendency of some writers to go on about stuff that really doesn't effect or interest the reader is probably the single biggest reason I rarely read the Daily Bleat anymore.
Don't get me wrong... I Looooove the way James Lileks writes and consider him to be one of the sharpest, most talented people writing on-line today. But he spends so much of each 'Bleat' providing a litany of childcare and professional responsibilities that regularly conspire to keep him from his blog that I honestly feel guilty for taking up so much of his precious time.
So with that said, I am now going to introduce a topic that will be of absolutely no interest to anyone who isn't...
a) ... living with me (and therefore somewhat invested in my ongoing happiness).
or
b) ... the proprietor of a blog/journal of their own.
Yesterday a treppenwitz reader was kind enough to forwarded an article to me about blog plagiarism. While this isn't something with which I've had a huge problem in the past, every month or two I avail myself of a service called Copyscape to do a quick scan of the web to make sure my 'stuff' isn't out there under someone else's by-line.
On three or four occasions I've found most or all of a treppenwitz post on someone else's site without proper attribution. In most cases the offending party simply liked what I had written and wanted to share it with his/her readers. They weren't trying to pass my stuff off as their own... they simply didn't have a clue about the need to provide internal documentation and/or attribution when one 'borrows' material created by someone else.
However, on the last couple of Copyscape searches I've conducted I've noticed a new phenomenon with 'aggregators', and I'm honestly not sure whether I should be bothered by it or not.
Simply put, aggregators are sites that collect feeds from various blogs. This can be something like 'Bloglines' which allows an individual to read the RSS feed of all his/her favorite blogs in one place (this is not what I'm talking about)... or it can be an organized website such as JRants that automatically assembles a list of the most recent posts in the Jblogosphere for people whose interest is mainly in that arena.
Now if we're just talking about a running list of the latest post titles within a particular genre, I honestly can't see the harm. Such lists are a very helpful tool that routinely drives new readers to sites based solely on the merits of an interesting site name or blogpost title. Who could have a problem with that?
But what about when these sights start aggregating entire posts?
My most recent Copyscape search turned up an entire post of mine on the Jrants site. Leaving aside for the moment that troubling fact that the Google ad above my post on the JRant site was for a Messianic Temple targeting Russian Jews in Brooklyn, I honestly didn't realize they were doing this... and in fact I haven't been able to locate any link on their site that allows such a 'full post view'. But it raises the issue of what control a blogger/journaler can reasonably expect to have over his/her work.
Like many of my fellow bloggers/journalers, I have a Creative Commons license in place to make it clear how my content can and cannot be used. One of the stipulations is that it can't be used for any commercial purpose.
So if an aggregator blog relies exclusively on other sites for content and makes money off of advertising based solely on the traffic generated by this content... wouldn't that be considered commercial use?
After reading a recent comment from Allison (one of the matriarchs of the Jblogoshpere despite still being young and hip), on the wisdom/ethics involved in allowing commercial sites to use ones writing for free, I've starting rethinking my decision to allow the Jerusalem Post and other media outlets access to treppenwitz posts for free.
Which brings me back to the point of this post (yes... there was a point in here somewhere) of whether to be flattered that others want to have my content on their site... with or without permission... or whether I wouldn't be better served to do what I can to have people come here to read my content.
Certainly if I decide to try my hand at generating advertising revenue it would make sense to have as many unique visitors as possible (as opposed to having people reading my content on various other sites or via RSS aggregators), no?
OK... of one thing I'm 100% certain. If I post too many more posts like this one I won't have to worry about silly things like traffic or plagiarists coveting my content.
Posted by David Bogner on May 9, 2006 | Permalink
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I think you need to answer a more basic question: why are you doing this?
If it's for income (which is certainly legitimate!) then you should certainly encourage every visitor to come via your site (and all of its associated clicks).
But if you just want people to read what you write, as long as you get attribution (which the aggregators provide) then it should be fine.
To put it another way, how would you feel if you heard that people were printing up a post of yours and handing it around the office?
Posted by: Dave (Balashon) | May 9, 2006 2:49:28 PM
Dave... One point you are missing is that even if I decide I am writing only for my own pleasure (without any attempt to profit from treppenwitz), does that mean that Jrants, Jpost and other sites that are commercial ventures using my content should be allowed to profit by what I create? Also, what about professional writers who are having trouble selling their writing at industry standard rates (or at all) because writers like me are giving the media outlets content for free? It's not as simple as you think.
Posted by: treppenwitz | May 9, 2006 3:21:18 PM
I used to have a problem with a blogger copying everything I wrote at his site. Then he would have the nerve to trackback to my post without giving me credit at his site!
I'm a bit vain. It bothers me to no end when someone tries to steal my posts or photos without giving me any credit.
Your dilema is different. Newspapers are benefitting from writers such as yourself.
If it were a letter to an editor it would be different. But if they ask to use your writing in their paper for other reasons, you should be compensated. It hurts the freelance journalists out there who are trying to make a living off their writing. It also hurts writers such as yourself.
The only ones who benefit fully are the newspapers and its readers.
Posted by: seawitch | May 9, 2006 3:39:15 PM
(You didn't really think you could post something about musicals and not have me respond, didja?)
"the only thing more painful than a Broadway musical about some behind-the-scenes aspect of putting on a Broadway musical..."
Y'know, if you wanted us to take you to see The Producers when you were in town, you could've just asked us...
Come to think of it, you also dissed The Muppets Take Manhattan while you were at it... ooh, The Lovely Wife(tm) is gonna be annoyed when she sees this post...
As for your main point: you might do well to let things be until you decide just how/if you want to financially benefit from this site. A quick email to somebody making a mistake will generally set things straight, methinks.
Posted by: efrex | May 9, 2006 5:51:07 PM
Just one thing- I'm sure that at least some of your readers would certainly have some sort of interest in your happiness...
Posted by: tnspr569 | May 9, 2006 6:35:01 PM
Great post! did you contact Jrants for comment? Just wondering...
Posted by: Jewish Blogmeister | May 9, 2006 9:20:35 PM
Thanks for the CopyScape link. I *think* there's a way to set it up so you only send out a minimal feed...
Posted by: Ezzie | May 9, 2006 9:23:11 PM
Hmm... actually, beore I read this post, not only have I not heard of CopyScape, but the idea of checking whether someone's copying my blog (nobody is!) never even dawned on me. And even now, after I used that programr for the first time, I'm sitting here and wondering: who on earth would want to copy stuff off my blog? And why?
But with your blog, I think, it kind of makes more sense, and I can see why you're troubled by people profitting off your writing. I think copied content used for commercial purposes is probably more of a problem for "journalers" than regular bloggers. In other words, for people whose main type of writing on their blog is... well, actual, professional-style writing, not miscellaneous stuff that many bloggers put on theirs. Hmm... an interesting thought in itself.
Posted by: Irina | May 9, 2006 9:46:19 PM
You should have some kind of option to not syndicate your whole site. I know blogger has it, don't know what you are using.
I'm not sure the problem with sites like JRants, as generally, it links to your (and others) actual sites.
OTOH, I can see the problem with teh Jerusalem Post, etc. Could this perhaps be compared, however, to submitting an op/ed or journal article where you don't get paid?
Though I think there is a difference between the aggregators and the Jerusalem Post reprinting.
Posted by: amechad | May 9, 2006 10:40:54 PM
As a longtime (but very low profile) online presence, the ethical ground is very clear to me: your words belong to you.
Others must get your permission to use them. Personally, I wouldn't give my ideas away to someone who will profit from them. If they really want them, they'll pay me. If I want to reach a much bigger audience (e.g. our daily newspaper reaches about 200,000 readers) with my message, I'll decide if I want to give it away.
With the traffic you get, I'd run some tasteful, low key ads.
But that's just me.
Posted by: christopher | May 10, 2006 8:19:50 AM
I hope you receive just compensation for your writings, Mr Bogner. You have much influence over your readers. (Your link to the Nefesh B'Nefesh video moved me to send aid to that organization.) You have been given a wonderful gift. You make Israel come alive with your description of her as well as with your photos, and it would not surprise me to know that many Jews are moving to Israel inspired by your blog.
Posted by: Dina | May 10, 2006 8:35:51 AM
Dina has a point--I don't know anyone who is moving to Israel solely because of your blog, but I can tell you that reading your blog makes Life-in-Israel very understandable and a lot less intimidating to this family of new olim.
Posted by: aliyah06 | May 10, 2006 8:52:37 AM
So you fumble at a few keys, provide an odd byte of literacy brilliance in one of your few flashes of lucidness and then expect the world to actually owe you a living....
.....by the way, in my haste to copy and profiteer from your articles, I've accidentally dropped my bagel and ended up adding you to my blog favourites, would you consider throwing a few scraps or crumbs to me whilst I enviously eye of your awards?
An ode to fame
I do desire a taste
..of it
my excuses may be lame
yet only half a wit
a copy here
a copy there
my conscience is so; tame
overlook the odd stare
I make money all the same
wishing I was over there
rather than au pair
my talent lay in waste
A full measure of twit
my wit be half
For I am staff
lets us make haste,
for we have so much more to paste.
CnTrl 'V'
I raise my glass of sour grapes
May your bagels always be fresh or your teeth strong
Aaron
http://bagelblogger.blogspot.com/
Posted by: Aaron | May 10, 2006 12:33:37 PM
The creative commons license is fine, a nice idea, but enforcing it is a different story. How much time & effort is one willing to put into enforcement?
In typepad you can control how much gets shared via feeds - I've set my blog to share a 'short excerpt' of each post, instead of the whole post.
Posted by: Steve Bogner | May 10, 2006 1:46:58 PM
I admit, I reprinted one of your posts (though I did fully give you credit and links to your site).
I don't like it when someone reprints my entire post and doesn't give me credit and a link, or worse uses it for their own ends.
On the other hand, I think aggregators (even if they make money from it) provide a valuable service to me as long as they are directly driving the traffic to my site.
I could also put up ads if I wanted to (actually I tried, but wasn't happy with the results).
Posted by: JoeSettler | May 10, 2006 11:52:59 PM
The Bleat has become dull, but that's cause he's segragated his political stuff to the Screedblog. Have you seen the latest? It's hillarious.
Posted by: Doctor Bean | May 11, 2006 2:05:05 AM
Seawitch... You may have just helped make up my mind about letting commercial sites use my material. thanks.
Efrex... Actually, I had 'A Chorus Line' in mind when I wrote that, but tell your lovely wife (TM) to fire away at will. :-)
tnspr569... Thanks, but I think you overestimate the level of readership loyalty here in the blogosphere. :-)
Jewish Blogmiester... Yes, but no response so far.
Ezzie... Yes, I now see that. Thanks.
Irina... Did you just call my writing 'professional-style'? Is that anything like 'kosher-style'? ;-)
Amechad... Admittedly my head was turned when places like the Jerusalem Post asked to publish my stuff. It was as if the Israel Philharmonic had called to see if I'd like to sit in for free at their next concert. Of course I jumped at the chance to be associated with such a well known name. However, I see now that letting them use my writing for free (to generate ad revenue from the pages where it appears) is just as unfair as if I were to play trombone in the Philharmonic for free while some professional trombonist sat home for lack of work. Big ethics involved here... big ethics.
Christopher... Wise counsel. Thanks.
Dina... I'm very touched by what you wrote. My goad has always been to show a fair and balanced peek of life in Israel. If that results in someone wanting to live here then I assume the desire was already there... I just showed them how attainable it is. Thank you also for supporting Nefesh B'Nefesh. They are a fantastic organization and I don't know if we would be here today if not for their help and advice.
Aliyah06... Then my work here is done. :-)
Aaron... Always nice to meet a new reader. I visited your site last night and being a bagel fan am looking forward to seeing how long you can sustain a blog on this one compelling topic.
Steve... Thanks, I found it and have made the change. I appreciate the tip.
Joe Settler... First of all you're not a commercial site. Second, you were very careful to provide attribution and a link. And probably most important there was a strong contextual reason for reprinting the post you did... it wasn't just a bid to drive additional traffic to your site. We'll see about the ad idea.
Doctor Bean... He is obviously quite a prolific writer and it probably seems petty of me to expect that he'll catch lightning in a bottle with every post... but even his purely political stuff meanders too much these days for my taste. How ironic is it to have a long-winded writer like myself complaining about someone else's verbosity? :-)
Posted by: treppenwitz | May 11, 2006 8:49:15 AM
Trep: The commercial service with ads, "Google" also caches an entire copy of your blog, and provides the valuable service of people being able to find it.
Google has RSS readers with ads in them as well.
As long as you get the click/hit and the recognition, what problem is there with content aggregators?
Posted by: Jameel @ The Muqata | May 11, 2006 10:45:21 AM
Note the fact that I said "some" of your readers...it's up to you to quantify here.
Posted by: tnspr569 | May 11, 2006 4:04:21 PM












